El Caballerion
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My bad, yo...
Unique Ability Elimination Thread
- Thread starter crawf0rd
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My bad, yo...
Snoopaloop
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Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 24
Bushido: 5
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The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 27
Wayfinding: 9
The Glory of Rome: 32
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 15
Nobel Prize: 22
River Warlord: 19
OK, we have twice now lost River Warlord from the voting. Lets be a little more careful about our copy and pasting!
Diplomatic Marriage: 13
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Ingenuity: 14
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
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Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 24
Bushido: 5
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 27
Wayfinding: 9
The Glory of Rome: 32
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 15
Nobel Prize: 22
River Warlord: 19
OK, we have twice now lost River Warlord from the voting. Lets be a little more careful about our copy and pasting!
Seabastian Civ
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Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 24
Bushido: 3 (-2) I'll pile on Bushido. A good UA guides your playstyle and adds flavor, a great one helps you win. Japan's does neither. It's obviously a warmonger UA, but how much does it really help, especially early? Not much.
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 27
Wayfinding: 9
The Glory of Rome: 32
Siberian Riches: 20
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Seven Cities of Gold: 15
Nobel Prize: 22
River Warlord: 20 (+1) I'll go ahead and give this UA some love. Being able to attack across rivers really helps in the early game when cities are so much stronger than units. A well placed city flanked by rivers is a no-go for most melee, but not Askia. Additional embarked strength is meh. This isn't a great UA, but a solid Warmonger one. MUCH better in the hands of a player than the AI.
Diplomatic Marriage: 13
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Ingenuity: 14
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 24
Bushido: 3 (-2) I'll pile on Bushido. A good UA guides your playstyle and adds flavor, a great one helps you win. Japan's does neither. It's obviously a warmonger UA, but how much does it really help, especially early? Not much.
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 27
Wayfinding: 9
The Glory of Rome: 32
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 15
Nobel Prize: 22
River Warlord: 20 (+1) I'll go ahead and give this UA some love. Being able to attack across rivers really helps in the early game when cities are so much stronger than units. A well placed city flanked by rivers is a no-go for most melee, but not Askia. Additional embarked strength is meh. This isn't a great UA, but a solid Warmonger one. MUCH better in the hands of a player than the AI.
SnowKomodo
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Couldn't have said it better myself
Crafty Bison
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Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 25
Bushido: 3
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 27
Wayfinding: 9
The Glory of Rome: 32
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 15
Nobel Prize: 22
River Warlord: 20
What UA's are still to do....
America: Not that its weak, just that it's super boring. I get to buy a few extra tiles (woot) but that's about it. Worse than that, the extra sight makes it difficult to go back to more interesting civs. Not because it's good, it's just that you get used to it. A bit like 'light' beer. Ugh.
Incas: Yeah so this one is really good, bit like the best part of america, minutemen, only it's for all melee, mounted, quick workers and settlers, and, possibly best, ranged. trade routes is a nice bonus too.
Diplomatic Marriage: 13
Sacrificial Captives: 22
Ingenuity: 14
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 25
Bushido: 3
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 27
Wayfinding: 9
The Glory of Rome: 32
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 15
Nobel Prize: 22
River Warlord: 20
What UA's are still to do....
America: Not that its weak, just that it's super boring. I get to buy a few extra tiles (woot) but that's about it. Worse than that, the extra sight makes it difficult to go back to more interesting civs. Not because it's good, it's just that you get used to it. A bit like 'light' beer. Ugh.
Incas: Yeah so this one is really good, bit like the best part of america, minutemen, only it's for all melee, mounted, quick workers and settlers, and, possibly best, ranged. trade routes is a nice bonus too.
Mesix
Obergruppenführer
If River Warlord had been present on the list, I would have voted against it. The war canoe was nerfed in G&K as all embarked units now have defense. Amphibious is a very lackluster promotion now that ranged units dominate city attack. I really can't remember the last time I attacked a city with a melee unit except to take the last hp for capture...river or no river it is going down at that point.
Seabastian Civ
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Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 25
Bushido: 3
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 28
Wayfinding: 9
The Glory of Rome: 32
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 15
Nobel Prize: 20
River Warlord: 20
Nobel Prize : Not useful in mp at all. In sp you can't be friendly with mroe than 2 or 3 civs at best. I never burn my gps for cs anyway. There is enough gold and quests to please them.
Achaemenid Legacy : Each 2 golden ages grant you a free one. Make sure to go at war during these periods.
Diplomatic Marriage: 13
Sacrificial Captives: 22
Ingenuity: 14
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 25
Bushido: 3
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 28
Wayfinding: 9
The Glory of Rome: 32
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 15
Nobel Prize: 20
River Warlord: 20
Nobel Prize : Not useful in mp at all. In sp you can't be friendly with mroe than 2 or 3 civs at best. I never burn my gps for cs anyway. There is enough gold and quests to please them.
Achaemenid Legacy : Each 2 golden ages grant you a free one. Make sure to go at war during these periods.
Petiscator
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Manifest Destiny: 14
Diplomatic Marriage: 13
Sacrificial Captives: 22
Ingenuity: 14
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 25
Bushido: 3
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 28
Wayfinding: 9
The Glory of Rome: 32
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 15
Nobel Prize: 21
River Warlord: 20
Nobel Prize because it suits my playstyle really well, I often get friendly with some and go to war with the others, so the GP bonus is good, but what makes this UA a monster is the 90 influence part; you can basically get an early boost (through honor) on any of the city-states bonuses. Do you want faith? Give that GG to Jerusalem. Low food capital? What are you waiting, Jakarta is right there! It is not meant to give GS, GE or even GA, but GGs, GAdmirals and Great Prophets (after spreading religion 3 times, of course). You keep the good ones, warry and generate "bad" ones to gift to the CSs you want, keeping your war machine going, getting another front in the battle, ya know, those stuff. GMs are arguable; you can use its bonus and spend the money on anything you like or you can give it anyways.
Manifest Destiny: Like somebody said, it is boring. Sight is nice, but not that great. I preffer more meaningful bonus, and this one is not so well rounded. I mean, the cheap tile costs are only "nice" for me, as they are not so expensive. I am, though, probably not using them correctly, but my opinion stands.
Diplomatic Marriage: 13
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Ingenuity: 14
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 25
Bushido: 3
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 28
Wayfinding: 9
The Glory of Rome: 32
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 15
Nobel Prize: 21
River Warlord: 20
Nobel Prize because it suits my playstyle really well, I often get friendly with some and go to war with the others, so the GP bonus is good, but what makes this UA a monster is the 90 influence part; you can basically get an early boost (through honor) on any of the city-states bonuses. Do you want faith? Give that GG to Jerusalem. Low food capital? What are you waiting, Jakarta is right there! It is not meant to give GS, GE or even GA, but GGs, GAdmirals and Great Prophets (after spreading religion 3 times, of course). You keep the good ones, warry and generate "bad" ones to gift to the CSs you want, keeping your war machine going, getting another front in the battle, ya know, those stuff. GMs are arguable; you can use its bonus and spend the money on anything you like or you can give it anyways.
Manifest Destiny: Like somebody said, it is boring. Sight is nice, but not that great. I preffer more meaningful bonus, and this one is not so well rounded. I mean, the cheap tile costs are only "nice" for me, as they are not so expensive. I am, though, probably not using them correctly, but my opinion stands.
crawf0rd
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Has anyone noticed that somehow every time Maurcus votes he is eliminating something? And let's review some of his reasons:
-I don't trade resources (eliminating Arabia)
-It's just a dumb trireme (eliminating dromon)
-It's just so bleh (eliminating the Iroquois)
Can this be considered spam?
-I don't trade resources (eliminating Arabia)
-It's just a dumb trireme (eliminating dromon)
-It's just so bleh (eliminating the Iroquois)
Can this be considered spam?
Snoopaloop
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Manifest Destiny: 14
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Ingenuity: 15
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 25
Bushido: 1
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 28
Wayfinding: 9
The Glory of Rome: 32
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 15
Nobel Prize: 21
River Warlord: 20
+1 Ingenuity: Same reasons as before. A very early GS/Academy is an absolutely fantastic boost. +50% GS points is also amazing. I usually play standard maps/9 enemy civs. I could get more of a % bonus from Nobel Prize, but I'm usually busy destroying/warring with most, to all, of them. 50% and I don't need any friends!
-2 Bushido: I don't play as Japan constantly, but in vanilla, seeing him as a nearby opponent used to be a big threat. The Japanese units no longer seem to be more sturdy, better survivors than any other civ; besides the air units, which come to late. An ability, unfortunately weakened by the expansion.
I agree the Arabia/Iroquois reasons hardly contributed to the discussion at all, but there have been tons of meaningless votes throughout all these games. I think it's best to leave the moderating to the mods. I have seen quite a few "it's boring" votes throughout the games. Hard to single out this posters 2 lack luster reasons.
I thought the "dumb trireme" was a different member. I'm certain either way, he didn't eliminate it with his vote though.
Diplomatic Marriage: 13
Sacrificial Captives: 22
Ingenuity: 15
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 25
Bushido: 1
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 28
Wayfinding: 9
The Glory of Rome: 32
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 15
Nobel Prize: 21
River Warlord: 20
+1 Ingenuity: Same reasons as before. A very early GS/Academy is an absolutely fantastic boost. +50% GS points is also amazing. I usually play standard maps/9 enemy civs. I could get more of a % bonus from Nobel Prize, but I'm usually busy destroying/warring with most, to all, of them. 50% and I don't need any friends!
-2 Bushido: I don't play as Japan constantly, but in vanilla, seeing him as a nearby opponent used to be a big threat. The Japanese units no longer seem to be more sturdy, better survivors than any other civ; besides the air units, which come to late. An ability, unfortunately weakened by the expansion.
I agree the Arabia/Iroquois reasons hardly contributed to the discussion at all, but there have been tons of meaningless votes throughout all these games. I think it's best to leave the moderating to the mods. I have seen quite a few "it's boring" votes throughout the games. Hard to single out this posters 2 lack luster reasons.
I thought the "dumb trireme" was a different member. I'm certain either way, he didn't eliminate it with his vote though.
amebob
Chieftain
Manifest Destiny: 14
Diplomatic Marriage: 13
Sacrificial Captives: 22
Ingenuity: 15
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 25
Bushido: 0
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 29
Wayfinding: 9
The Glory of Rome: 32
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 15
Nobel Prize: 21
River Warlord: 20
Gonna eliminate Bushido here, I thought that it was decent in vanilla, but now in G+Ks it just plain sucks, I mean, all units now have 100 health making it less effective
Achaemanid Legacy is awesome. +1 movement and 10% combat bonus in goden ages? Are you kidding me? Especially nice when I go for a liberty opener and pop representation right as I declare war, to also finish the tree for a GG. Just great.
Diplomatic Marriage: 13
Sacrificial Captives: 22
Ingenuity: 15
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 25
Bushido: 0
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 29
Wayfinding: 9
The Glory of Rome: 32
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 15
Nobel Prize: 21
River Warlord: 20
Gonna eliminate Bushido here, I thought that it was decent in vanilla, but now in G+Ks it just plain sucks, I mean, all units now have 100 health making it less effective
Achaemanid Legacy is awesome. +1 movement and 10% combat bonus in goden ages? Are you kidding me? Especially nice when I go for a liberty opener and pop representation right as I declare war, to also finish the tree for a GG. Just great.
Rooftrellen
King
Manifest Destiny: 14
Diplomatic Marriage: 13
Sacrificial Captives: 22
Ingenuity: 15
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 25
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 29
Wayfinding: 7
The Glory of Rome: 32
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 15
Nobel Prize: 22
River Warlord: 20
Nobel prize is awesome free GP.
Wayfinding just gets you to the ocean sooner, but you'll get there fast enough even on a watery map.
Diplomatic Marriage: 13
Sacrificial Captives: 22
Ingenuity: 15
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 25
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 29
Wayfinding: 7
The Glory of Rome: 32
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 15
Nobel Prize: 22
River Warlord: 20
Nobel prize is awesome free GP.
Wayfinding just gets you to the ocean sooner, but you'll get there fast enough even on a watery map.
Manifest Destiny: 12
Diplomatic Marriage: 13
Sacrificial Captives: 22
Ingenuity: 15
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 26
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 29
Wayfinding: 7
The Glory of Rome: 32
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 15
Nobel Prize: 22
River Warlord: 20
Diplomatic Marriage: 13
Sacrificial Captives: 22
Ingenuity: 15
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 26
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 29
Wayfinding: 7
The Glory of Rome: 32
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 15
Nobel Prize: 22
River Warlord: 20
TM Moot
King
Manifest Destiny: 12
Diplomatic Marriage: 13
Sacrificial Captives: 22
Ingenuity: 15
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 26
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 29
Wayfinding: 7
The Glory of Rome: 33 +1 Great for us builders
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 13 -2 9 times out of 10 useless, 1 time out of 10 gamebreaking
Nobel Prize: 22
River Warlord: 20
Diplomatic Marriage: 13
Sacrificial Captives: 22
Ingenuity: 15
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 21
Great Andean Road: 26
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21
Achaemenid Legacy: 29
Wayfinding: 7
The Glory of Rome: 33 +1 Great for us builders
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 13 -2 9 times out of 10 useless, 1 time out of 10 gamebreaking
Nobel Prize: 22
River Warlord: 20
Manifest Destiny: 12
Diplomatic Marriage: 13
Sacrificial Captives: 22
Ingenuity: 15
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 22 If you want city state allies and have a small economy, this is extremely useful. Greece is the one with the most city state allies, which can be decisive in any war (especially a military city state).
Great Andean Road: 26
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21 Better idea, don't trade it!
Achaemenid Legacy: 29
Wayfinding: 7
The Glory of Rome: 34
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 11
Nobel Prize: 22
River Warlord: 20
Diplomatic Marriage: 13
Sacrificial Captives: 22
Ingenuity: 15
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 22 If you want city state allies and have a small economy, this is extremely useful. Greece is the one with the most city state allies, which can be decisive in any war (especially a military city state).
Great Andean Road: 26
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 21 Better idea, don't trade it!
Achaemenid Legacy: 29
Wayfinding: 7
The Glory of Rome: 34
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 11
Nobel Prize: 22
River Warlord: 20
Lordleoz
Prince
Edit -- 3 fix: Skibbi counted another vote twice and didn't count his own. And the other two are... you know, Wabango problem.
Manifest Destiny: 14
Diplomatic Marriage: 11
Sacrificial Captives: 22
Ingenuity: 15
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 22
Great Andean Road: 25
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 19
Achaemenid Legacy: 29
Wayfinding: 7
The Glory of Rome: 33
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 14
Nobel Prize: 22
River Warlord: 20
Seven Cities of Gold: you can always spot a few natural wonders from the early game, which means you can enjoy the benefit of this UA right from the start. And once you have astronomy, send caravels to discover wonders all over the world and settle cities near them. You can get sweet bonuses from them. It's an extremely interesting UA. Although it is not the best UA around, it's still above-average and deserves a higher point, I think.
Diplomatic Marriage: Annex or puppet allied city states? No, thanks. I like allied city states, and I like the things they provide.
Manifest Destiny: 14
Diplomatic Marriage: 11
Sacrificial Captives: 22
Ingenuity: 15
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 22
Great Andean Road: 25
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 19
Achaemenid Legacy: 29
Wayfinding: 7
The Glory of Rome: 33
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 14
Nobel Prize: 22
River Warlord: 20
Seven Cities of Gold: you can always spot a few natural wonders from the early game, which means you can enjoy the benefit of this UA right from the start. And once you have astronomy, send caravels to discover wonders all over the world and settle cities near them. You can get sweet bonuses from them. It's an extremely interesting UA. Although it is not the best UA around, it's still above-average and deserves a higher point, I think.
Diplomatic Marriage: Annex or puppet allied city states? No, thanks. I like allied city states, and I like the things they provide.
Mesix
Obergruppenführer
Manifest Destiny: 14
Diplomatic Marriage: 11
Sacrificial Captives: 22
Ingenuity: 16 (+1)
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 22
Great Andean Road: 25
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 19
Achaemenid Legacy: 29
Wayfinding: 7
The Glory of Rome: 33
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 14
Nobel Prize: 22
River Warlord: 18 (-2)
I like the Babylon UA because extra
is always a good thing. I can turn the free Academy at writing into any type of victory I want to achieve.
River Warlord isn't so great. The extra
from barbs is nice, but the rest of it isn't so special. Everyone has defensive embarkation since G&K, and most of the combat is done by ranged units which can fire over rivers without penalty.
Diplomatic Marriage: 11
Sacrificial Captives: 22
Ingenuity: 16 (+1)
Phoenician Heritage: 30
Art of War: 22
Viking Fury: 12
Monument Builders: 23
Sun Never Sets: 26
Ancien Regime: 23
Hellenic League: 22
Great Andean Road: 25
Scholars of the Jade Hall: 21
The Long Count: 17
Dutch East India Company: 19
Achaemenid Legacy: 29
Wayfinding: 7
The Glory of Rome: 33
Siberian Riches: 20
Father Governs Children: 23
Seven Cities of Gold: 14
Nobel Prize: 22
River Warlord: 18 (-2)
I like the Babylon UA because extra
is always a good thing. I can turn the free Academy at writing into any type of victory I want to achieve.River Warlord isn't so great. The extra
from barbs is nice, but the rest of it isn't so special. Everyone has defensive embarkation since G&K, and most of the combat is done by ranged units which can fire over rivers without penalty.
maurcus
Warlord
- Joined
- May 24, 2012
- Messages
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i am sorry if it seams like spam it is hard to find a good reason to down-vote something that hasn't already been said. as for Arabia i am never short on money and therefor have no reason to trade with the ai. the dromon i love and didn't eliminate it it was eliminated by el cabbellarion. as for the Iroquois there ua is fine and does add flavor but gives them no real advantage other than cheaper trade routes. i hope this has clarified some of my lackluster reasons.
