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Unique Civ-Specific Great People Names

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Mod Components' started by Gaius Octavius, Dec 31, 2006.

  1. Gaurav

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    This isn't fixed by Mexico's SDK component?
     
  2. Ambassador

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    Concerning the names you used for the Civs:

    For Arabia: You used Mu'awiya twice, as Great General and as Prophet!

    I'm in doubt whether to use the first 4 Caliphs as GPs. Why not use religiously innovative people like Al-Ghazzali, Ibn Arabi, Ja'far as-Sadiq, As-Shafii ?

    Some more Great generals: Khalid ibn Al-Walid, Amr Ibn al-As, Tarek, Saif ad-Daula

    Great Scientists: I think Al-Biruni is still missing as a major contributor.

    Thabit Ibn Qurra is included twice: One time for the Arabs, one for the Turks.
     
  3. Chuggi

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    That's good to hear about the leaders, and I agree with the petition because this is steadily turning into a very high quality mod, with all the names and the individual art, which would look good in the next expansion.

    I've also made a template for the modern era people (see pictures below) which I think suits them better than the tattered scroll. However, if we can't get this age-specific mod going then it makes getting those people in the ancient times even worse. For the american GP I used the american seal but a gold star could be used for other GP or their own country's seal or symbol etc. Also, most of the art created by Amra and the others didn't have the alpha channel and was displaying the background. So I fixed that for the others. All the ones below are american (haven't started on other civs yet) and also I have changed the pen colour to a wood colour in newer pics to make it not blend into the background.


     
  4. Gaius Octavius

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    Good catch. I already found some names I used twice, which is understandable as this project was done over many weeks. Of course, Firaxis did the same thing (Joan of Arc as both prophet and general) so at least I'm in good company! :) But thank you so much; I'm glad to see people are finally reporting mistakes. I can be totally blind to my own errors at times.

    As for the names you mentioned, I have included some of them already in the new list, such as Khalid ibn Al-Walid, and I'll add the ones I don't have as well as fix the duplicates in the next release.

    This raises a good point: my knowledge of history (and therefore of prominent people) is largely limited to the ancient Mediterranean, late Medieval and Renaissance Europe, and of course modern times, in particular America, so if anyone out there who knows a good amount of, say, Asian or African history, spots that some of the "big names" are missing, I would encourage you to please post them here. I want this to be as thorough as possible.

    Chugginator:
    Very good job on the art and quotes, though I was hoping to see my favorite Twain quote: "there's lies, and there's damned lies, and then there's statistics!" :lol: I do like the modern background; gives one a feeling of a scientist's notepad. Question: is the seal of the United States present for all modern GP art, or just for America's? I don't think you'd want that for other civs.

    I think I can help you with some of the quotes; I'll try to collect a few of them and post them when I release the next list.

    Gaurav:
    I've been in contact with Mexico about his SDK mod because that's exactly what I thought to use first. But it just didn't work with my mod for some reason. I even tried the Total Realism SDK (as his mod is one part of it) but that didn't work either. He said he would take a look at it and see if maybe there was a bug in the code, but I haven't heard any new info on it yet.
     
  5. Wyz_sub10

    Wyz_sub10 CIV Gold - Project Lead

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    Here are my civ-specific additions:

    Greece

    GP: Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Anaximander, Saint Photios
    GA: Praxiteles, Apelles, Polygnotus, Pheidias, El Greco
    GS: Zeno of Elea, Hippocrates, Dimitri Nanopoulos, Georgios Papanikolaou, Demetrios Christodoulou
    GE: Pythagoras, Euclid, Hippodamus, Isidore of Miletus, Anthemius of Tralles
    GM: Aristotle Onassis, Socrates Kokkalis, Basil Zaharoff, George Livanos, Stavros Niarchos
    GG: Alcibiades, Themistocles, Leonidas, Miltiades, Pavlos Kountouriotis

    Japan

    GP: Dogen, Eisai, Kukai, Nichiren, Nikko Shonin
    GA: Murasaki Shikibu, Ryokan, Saigyo, Kurosawa Akira, Mifune Toshiro
    GS: Koichi Tanaka, Tetsuya Fujita, Susumu Tonegawa, Hideki Yukawa, Sin-Itiro Tomonaga
    GE: Seki Takakazu, Kenkichi Iwasawa, Hidetsugu Aneha, Kunihiko Kodaira, Goro Shimura
    GM: Kiichiro Toyoda, Soichiro Honda, Masaru Ibuka, Yataro Iwasaki, Akio Morita
    GG: Minamoto no Yoritomo, Ashikaga Takauji, Taira no Kiyomori, Tojo Hideki, Isoroku Yamamoto

    Russia

    GP: Saint Nicholas, Olga Nikolaevna, Epiphanius the Wise, Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trosky
    GA: Leo Tolstoy, Fyodor Dostoevsky, Modest Mussorgsky, Pyotr Tchaikovsky, Mikhail Baryshnikov
    GS: Dmitri Mendeleyev, Pyotr Kapitsa, Karl Klaus, Nikolay Basov, Zhores Alferov, Nikolay Semyonov
    GE: Sergei Korolev, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, Andrey Kvasov, Alexander Kokorinov, Yuri Gagarin
    GM: Nikolay Novikov, Vagit Alekperov, Vladimir Lisin, Viktor Vekselberg, Mikhail Fridman
    GG: Dmitri Donskoi, Pavel Nakhimov, Vasily Chuikov, Mikhail Skobelev, Aleksandr Suvorov

    England

    GP: Thomas More, Pope Adrian IV, Bertrand Russell, John Stuart Mill, Francis Bacon
    GA: William Shakespeare, Charles Dickens, John Keats, Elizabeth Barrett Browning, Alfred Hitchcock
    GS: Isaac Newton, Charles Darwin, Robert Boyle, Robert Hooke, Michael Faraday
    GE: Henry Bessemer, Henry Royce, Geoffrey de Havilland, Christopher Wren, George Stephenson
    GM: Abraham Darby, Josiah Wedgwood, William Morris, Cecil Rhodes, Richard Branson
    GG: Horatio Nelson, Oliver Cromwell, Thomas Montagu, Arthur Wellesley, Robert Blake

    Egypt

    GP: Nefertiti, Shoshenq, Ptahhotep, Abbas Mahmoud el-Akkad, Yusuf al-Qaradawi
    GA: Ahmed Shawqi, Hafiz Ibrahim, Abd al-Rahman Abnudi, Mahmoud Mokhtar, Sayed Darwish
    GS: Ptolemy of Alexandria, Manetho, Ahmed H. Zewail, Farouk El-Baz, Nasr Abu Zayd
    GE: Imhotep, Sneferu, Khufu, Ahmes, Senemut
    GM: Ineni, Khaemweset, Maya, Onsi Sawiris, Fayez Shalaby Sarofim
    GG: Thutmose III, Sammuramat, Weni the Elder, Mehemet Ali, Hanseen Abdelnaby

    India

    GP: Siddhartha Gautama, Chaitanya, Ayya Vaikundar, Swami Prabhupada, Dayananda Saraswati
    GA: Raja Ravi Varma, Amrita Sher-Gil, Ravi Shankar, Satyajit Ray, Anil Kumar Dutta
    GS: Panini, Aryabhata, Parameshvara, Chandrasekhara Venkata Raman, Subramanyan Chandrasekhar
    GE: Yajnavalkya, Baudhayana, Madhava, Srinivasa Ramanujan, Jyeshtadeva
    GM: Jamshetji Tata, Ghanshyam Das Birla, S. L. Kirloskar, Lakshmi Mittal, Azim Premji
    GG: Ikshvaku, Chandragupta Maurya, Rajaraja Chola I, Jatavarman Sundara Pandyan, Alauddin Khilji

    Zulu

    GP: Mnguni, Zulu kaNtombhela, Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu, Steven Biko
    GA: Phuzekhemisi, Mfazomnyama, Benedict Wallet Vilakazi, Pauline Malefane, Peter Mtuze
    GS: Thebe Medupe, Fatima Meer, Thabo Mbeki, Yusuf Dadoo, Victoria Mxenge
    GE: Mangosuthu Buthelezi, Nkosinkulu, Mdlani, Luzumana, Phunga kaGumede
    GM: Mamphela Ramphele, Tokyo Sexwale, Cyril Ramaphosa, Patrice Motsepe, Basetsana Kumalo
    GG: Senzangakhona, Mageba kaGumede, Dingane, Mpande, Dinuzulu

    Celts

    GP: Illtud, Richard Gwyn, Petroc, Piran, Richard Price
    GA: Orlande de Lassus, Sarah Siddons, André Grétry, Dan Ar Braz, John Gibson
    GS: William Salesbury, Realth Chalmers, Robert Recorde, William Pengelly,John Couch Adams
    GE: John Dee, Richard Trevithick, Paul Hankar, George Everest, Victor Horta
    GM: David Davies, John Josiah Guest, Charles Stewart Rolls, Alfred Lowenstein, Étienne Davignon
    GG: Vercingetorix, Wagnijo, Ambiorix, Llywelyn the Great, Mark of Cornwall

    Persia

    GP: Zoroaster, Muawiya, Abu Bakr Alsideek, Al-Ma'mun, Mansur Al-Hallaj
    GA: Firdawsi, Omar Khayyam, Reza Abbasi, Ibn Muqaffa, Iraj Mirza
    GS: Azophi, Abdolrahman Sufi, Avicenna, Ali Ibn Rabn Tabari, Ahmad tayyeb Sarakhsi
    GE: Ala'eddin, Musa al-Khwarizmi, Mashallah, Rhazes, Mahmud Ghazan, Abu Abbas Fazl Hatam
    GM: Hassan Amin Al-zarb, Shah Abbas, Khwaja Hasan Shusteri, Mir Jumla, David Khalili
    GG: Teispes, Darius I, Surena, Tariq ibn-Ziyad, Nadir Shah
     
  6. Wyz_sub10

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    Arabs

    GP: Muhammad, Ibrahim, Dhu'l-kifl, Al-Yasa, Zakariyya
    GA: Ibn Arabi, Khalil Gibran, Abdul Halim Radawi, Faisal Samra, Mohammed Al-Senan
    GS: Jabir ibn Haiyan, Alkindus, Hunayn Ibn Ishaq, al-Masudi, Abu Jafar al-Tabari
    GE: Thabit ibn Qurra, Abu Abdullah Al-Battani, Ibrahim ibn Sinan, Ibn Yunus, Omar Khayyam
    GM: Al-Waleed bin Talal, Sulaiman Al Rajhi, Sulaiman S. Olayan, Saleh Kamel, Adnan Khashoggi
    GG: Ahmed Ibn El Ghazi, Khalid bin Walid, Ali ibn Abi Talib, Muhammad bin Saud, Abdul Aziz bin Saud

    Inca

    (GP, GA, and GM are generic terms)

    GP: Willaq of Inti, Willaq of Kon, Willaq of Illapa, Willaq of Mama Quilla, Willaq of Supay
    GA: Inkan rumiru, Inkan pintay, Inkan rullanu, Inkan tarka, Inkan takiy
    GS: Mama Ocllo, First Yachayhuasis, Second Yachayhuasis, Third Yachayhuasis, Fourth Yachayhuasis
    GE: Manco Capac, Willaq uma, Wasichay Tiwanaku, Wasichay Machu Picchu, Wasichay Kalasasaya
    GM: First Acllawasi, Second Acllawasi, Third Acllawasi, Fourth Acllawasi, Fifth Acllawasi
    GG: Sinchi Roca, Pachacuti, Tupac Inca, Tupac Amaru II, Atahualpa

    Mali (Sen/Mal)

    GP: Abu Bakr, Mahmud, Al-Hajj Umar Tall, Mabba Jaxu Ba, Blaise Diagne
    GA: Soueloum Diagho, Kele Monson Diabate, Doumbi Fakoly, Fanta Damba, Falaba Issa Traore
    GS: Ibrahima Aya, Alpha Mande Diarra, Amadou Hampate Ba, Abdou Diouf, Segolene Royal
    GE: Koi Kunboro, Ismaila Traore, Abdoulaye Gaye, Sanoussi Diakite, Jacques Diouf
    GM: Babani Sissoko, Abderahmane Sow, Saikou Ceesay, Oumou Sy, Lally Diab
    GG: Sundiata Keita, Mansa Wali Keita, Sakura, Musa II, Suleyman, Aoua Keita

    Mongolia

    GP: Sorghaghtani Beki, Altan Khaan, Gendun Drup, Gendun Gyatso, Zanabazar
    GA: Dashdorjiin Natsagdorj, Tsendyn Damdinsuren, Bilegiin Damdinsuren, Oyuun, Ulambayar
    GS: Shihikhutug, Chagatai, Roy Chapman Andrews, Jargal Jamsranjav, Narantuya Davaa
    GE: Mongke Khan, Hulagu Khan, Jochi, Batu Khan, Jugderdemidiyn Gurragcha
    GM: Aldanjavyn Ayush, Hatmut Bartsch, Bayasgalan, Jargalsaikhan, Enkhee
    GG: Yesugei, Ogedei Khan, Tamerlane, Sabotai, Sukhbaatar

    America

    GP: St. Elizabeth Seton, Martin Luther King Jr., Joseph Smith, Billy Sunday, St. Rose Duchesne
    GA: Ernest Hemingway, Georgia O’Keefe, Elvis Presley, John Ford, Winslow Homer
    GS: Thomas Edison, Linus Pauling, Jonas Salk, John Bardeen, Murray Gell-Mann
    GE: Eli Whitney, Wright Brothers, Robert Goddard, Williams Coolidge, Frank Lloyd Wright
    GM: Adam Smith, Andrew Carnegie, John D. Rockefeller, Sam Walton, Bill Gates
    GG: Nathanael Greene, Ulysses S. Grant, Robert E. Lee, Douglas MacArthur, George S. Patton

    Aztec

    (GA named after specific art works)

    GP: Quetzalcoatl, Tenoch, Moctezuma I, Ahuitzotl, Cuauhtemoc
    GA: Tablet of Founding, Standing Male Figure, Obsidian Monkey, House of Dawn, Sculpture of Xochipilli
    GS: Tonalpouque of Sacred Round, Tonalpouque Tonalpohualli, Tonalpouque Xiuhmolpilli, Tonalpouque Tonalamatl, Tonalpouque Tonatiuh
    GE: Acamapichtli, Huitzilihuitl, Chimalpopoca, Tizoc, Nezahualcoyotl
    GM: Pochtecas Tenoch, Pochtecas Tuxpan, Pochtecas Tacupa, Pochtecas Texcoco, Pochtecas Huaxyacac
    GG: Axayacatl, Ahuitzotl, Cuitlahuac, Itzcoatl, Ilhuicamina

    Korea

    GP: Daegak Guksa, Ichadon, Tae-geon Kim, Moon Sun-myung, Jin-suk Cheong
    GA: Owon, Jeong Cheol, Lee Eun Cheol, Jo Su-mi, Kang Chol-Hwan
    GS: Yi Hwang, Kim Soon-kwon, Ju Si-gyeong, Hwang Woo-Suk, Lee Whi-so
    GE: Dangun, Munseong, Jang Young Sil, Chungnyeol, Seong Sam-Mun,
    GM: Shin Kyuk-ho, Lee Kun-Hee, Kim Woo-joong, Kim Chong-Won, Chung Mong-hun
    GG: Shin Sung-gyeom, Eulji Mundeok, Gang Hong-rip, Yi Sun-sin, Kim Il-sung

    Spain

    GP: Isidore of Seville, Ignatius of Loyola, Bartolome de Las Casas, Teresa of Avila, George Santayana
    GA: Francisco de Goya, Miguel de Cervantes, Pablo Picasso, Salvador Dali, Pedro Almodovar
    GS: Arnold of Villanova, Andres Manuel del Rio, Mateu Orfila, Santiago Ramon y Cajal, Severo Ochoa
    GE: Arzachel, Leonardo Torres y Quevedo, Ildefons Cerda, Antoni Gaudi, Esteban Terradas i Illa
    GM: Joseph de la Vega, Juan March Ordinas, Juan Sanchez Vidal, Amancio Ortega, Rafael del Pino
    GG: Trajan, Francisco Pizarro, Gonzalo Fernandez de Cordoba, Pedro Navarro, Hernan Cortes

    Turkey

    GP: Husayn, Junayd Baghdadi, Adnan Oktar, Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Rumi, Shaykh Nazim al-Qubrusi
    GA: Osman Hamdi Bey, Gul Baba, Halide Edip Adivar, Nazim Hikmet, Erkan Genis
    GS: Hulusi Behcet, Piri Reis, Tahsin Ozguc, Feza Gursey, Semra Dundar
    GE: Sinan, Ustad Isa, Isa Muhammad Effendi, Mahmud of Ghazni, Cahit Arf
    GM: Rahmi Koc, Omer Sabanci, Nejat Eczacibasi, Sevket Sabanci, Aydin Dogan
    GG: Osman I, Alptigin, Suleiman the Magnificent, Murad I, Sokollu Mehmet Pasa

    Carthage

    GP: Dido, Acherbas, St Aurelius, St Perpetua, St Felicitas
    GA: Albert Memmi, Mahmoud Messadi, Ammar Farhat, Mohamed Abderrazaq, Abdelkader Abderrazaq
    GS: Hannibal the Rhodian, Hasdrubal Clitomacus, Xanthippus, Roumeika Ben Amara, Ezzedine Triki
    GE: Melchus, Mago Barca, Hanno the Navigator, Himilco the Navigator, Jamel Hanbli
    GM: Hanno the Great, Hamilcar Saunites, Bomilkar, Azzedine Alaia, Tarak Ben Ammar
    GG: Hamilcar Barca, Adherbal, Maharbal, Hasdrubal Barca, Habib Bourguiba

    Viking

    GP: Ragnar Lodbrok, Healfdene Ragnarsson, Inwaaer the Boneless, Ubbe Ragnarsson, Olav Haraldsson
    GA: Egill Skallagrimsson, Halldor Kiljan Laxness, Hans Christian Andersen, Einar Hjorleifsson Kvaran, Hans Kirk
    GS: Kari Stefansson, Soren Kierkegaard, Niels Bohr, Niels Finsen, Asgeir Helgason
    GE: Freydis Eiriksdottir, Ingolfur Arnarson, Harold Bluetooth, Helgi Eyvindarson, Iorgen Kruger
    GM: Erik the Red, Leif Ericson, Bjarni Herjolfsson, Skuli Magnusson, Maersk Mc-Kinney Moller
    GG: Askold, Dir, Eirik Bloodaxe, Brodir, Harald Hardrada
     
  7. Wyz_sub10

    Wyz_sub10 CIV Gold - Project Lead

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    These were submitted to Jeckel from someone else. (I tweaked them)

    Rome

    Great Prophet: St. Paul, St. Peter, St. John, St. Augustine, St. Patrick, St. Thomas Aquinas
    Great Artist: Virgil, Horace, Juvenal, Lucretius, Pliny, Plutarch, Dante Alighieri, Michelangelo, Raphael,
    Great Scientist: Strabo, Cicero, Sosigenes, Pliny the Elder, Livius, Vitruvius, Galileo, Enrico Fermi,
    Great Engineer: Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa, Apollodorus, Leonardo da Vinci, Guglieilmo Marconi
    Great Merchant: Lucius Caecilius Jucundus, Publius Sittius, Titus Pomponius Atticus, Marco Polo, Giovanni de Medici, Enrico Dandolo
    Great General: Cincinnatus, Scipio Africanus, Gaius Marius, Sulla, Pompey, Germanicus, Vespasian, Trajan, Hadrian, Marcus Aurelius

    Germany

    GP: Albertus Magnus, Martin Luther, Eusebius Amort, Philipp Melanchthon, Hildegard of Bingen
    GA: JS Bach, Ludwig van Beethoven, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Johann Wolfgang Goethe, Johannes Brahms, Richard Wagner
    GS: Werner Heisenberg, Carl Friedrich Gauss, Nicolaus Copernicus, Johannes Kepler, Gottfried Leibniz, Heinrich Hertz
    GE: Nikolaus August Otto, Johann Gutenberg, Bernhard Philberth, Wernher von Braun, Gottlieb Daimler, Fritz Haber, Ernst Heinkel, Wilhelm Schickard
    GM: Gerardus Mercator, August Horch, Ferdinand von Zeppelin, Johann Homann
    GG: Arminius, Erwin Rommel, Erich von Manstein, Barbarossa, Maximilian, Charles V, Heinz Guderian

    China

    GP: Mencius, Han Fei, Confucius, Wang Yuanlu, Chuang Tzu, Mo Tzu
    GA: Li Po, Du Fu, Wang Xizhi, Leung Long Chau, Ling Lun,
    GS: Xi Ling Shi, Zu Chongzhi, Daniel Chee Tsui, Yuan T. Lee, Tsien Hsue-shen, Su Buqing
    GE: Cai Lun, Qian Sanqiang, Charles Kao, Zhang Heng, Bi Sheng
    GM: Zhang Qian, Wang Anshi, Zheng He, Lo Hong-Shui, Zhou Zhengyi, Xu Xiake
    GG: Sun Tzu, Chang Tso-lin, Cao Cao, Shi Lang, Zhuge Liang

    France

    GP: Joan of Arc**, Sebastian Castellio, John Calvin, Hubert Languet, Gabriel Marcel
    GA: Victor Hugo, Claude Monet, Edouard Manet, Pierre-Auguste Renoir, François Truffaut, Hector Berlioz
    GS: Louis Pasteur, Rene Descartes, Marie Curie, Antoine Lavoisier, Pierre-Simon Laplace, Pierre de Fermat
    GE: Blaise Pascal, Charles Augustin de Coulomb, Alexandre Gustave Eiffel, Joseph Marie Jacquard, Ferdinand de Lesseps, Louis Daguerre
    GM: Coco Chanel, Jacques Cartier, Robert de LaSalle, Jean-Baptiste Say
    GG: Charles Martel, Charlemagne, Joan of Arc**, Murat, Charles DeGaulle, Louis-Joseph de Montcalm, Lafayette
     
  8. Wyz_sub10

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    Thanks very much, Wyz_sub10! I can already see a number of names I don't have. :goodjob:

    Um, you might want to take a gander at this, say around post #9...
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=179662
    Sorry. I couldn't resist. :D But I really do appreciate all this very much.

    Keep the feedback coming, guys, and please rate this thread if you like it!
     
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    I'll change the Twain quote :) ( I personally don't really know much about him, just that he wrote Adventures of Huckleberry Finn which I've never read :p) Also may I suggest J.R.R. Tolkien for another english great artist?
    Of course I won't use the American seal for all the civs lol, I'll use their country's seals for their great people, or in the case of the Aztecs, maybe a Mexican seal etc. as these are modern GP (I think an Aztec symbol is actually present on Mexico's flag.)

    Thanks for all the quotes as well, these will save a bit of time :)

    lol
     
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    sorry guys, i am so busy in last two weeks, don't have time to do anything (even for TR mod :( ) - but i don't forget
     
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    No problem, take as much time as you need :D
     
  14. Gaius Octavius

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    Sorry, I didn't mean to make you think you had to change any quotes; I always just liked that one. Apparently, though, it was not originally his own, but just something that he popularized. http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/maths/histstat/lies.htm
    So your existing one is probably better. I have a lot of sourced quotes from others not present in the previous GP mod, so I'll see if I can compile some more and send them to you.

    J.R.R. Tolkien is a good choice. I was also considering J.K. Rowling, Arthur C. Clarke (should he be British or American?) and other contemporary people (maybe John Cleese? :crazyeye: ). England alone now has 128 names and growing.
     
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    I would be honored to have it in Rhye's excellent work! I have a partial list for Babylon already, so I'll see what I can do...
     
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    Hmm. There are great people in history who don't really fit these categories or the gameplay. Two that came to mind were Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King Jr. King was a reverend, IIRC; but great prophet doesn't quite fit; better to increase culture, but he's not a great artist, per se. Great leaders with favorite civics sounds appropos, but they're not really statesmen. hmmm.
     
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    Actually, for Joan of Arc, that make sense as she was both.
    Now, you should use her true name, which is Jeanne d'Arc.

    For the French again, Coco Channel is more an artist than a merchant.
     
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    According wo Wikipedia, her name in Latin (the only written language of the time) was Jeanne Darc. [No apostraphe.] The spelling of her name in French (Jeanne d'Arc) and English (Joan of Arc) are based on what people who spoke those vernacular languages (which literate people thought of like your schoolteachers think of slang today) came to say.

    Due to this history in Europe, people routinely translate proper nouns. After all, we don't call French Français, do we?
     
  20. Gaius Octavius

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    Constantine can be thought of as a GP and GG; Isaac Newton was a scientist, theologian (he wrote more on religion than science), and engineer; Thomas Alva Edison was a scientist, engineer, and businessman, and similarly for Henry Ford; Leonardo da Vinci was all these things and more. My point is that we just can't have duplicate entries, or it would get ridiculous. Got to go with the category of their most well-known contributions. I don't think people want to see the same person born three times over the course of a game. And we have over 2000 names, so it's not like there's a shortage.
     

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