Yep, I think that is the main difference in opinion between a lot of these top units. I don't mind holding ground, so camels/chu's work better for me. But players who would rather take the free pot-shots from the sidelines, the value of keshiks/longbows is clear. I figure if I'm getting my guys one-shot killed and need the +1 range to even function, something is going terribly wrong anyway.