Unique Unit Elimination Thread

[VicRatlhead5199]

B17 23
Battering Ram 8
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 33
Carolean 35
Chu-Ko-Nu 34
Conquistador 12
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 16
Hussar 13
Hwacha 15
Immortal 7-Downvoting them simply because of the rotten upgrade path. Only reason I'm not a fan.
Impi 33
Jaguar 21
Janissary 31
Keshik 32
Longbowman 35-Early artillery. Almost gamebreaking vs. AI.
Minutemen 21
Naresuan's Elephant 24
Pathfinder 35
Sea Beggar 24
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 34
Tercio 12
Winged Hussar 24

 

[cpm4001]

B17 23 + 1 = 24 - Very, very powerful bomber unit - you don't want to be on the receiving end of a B17 attack, but you do most definitely want to be on the delivering end!
Battering Ram 8
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 33
Carolean 35
Chu-Ko-Nu 34
Conquistador 12
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 16
Hussar 13
Hwacha 15 - 3 = 12 - While a fairly good unit, I dislike the fact that they replace Trebuchets.
Immortal 7
Impi 33
Jaguar 21
Janissary 31
Keshik 32
Longbowman 35
Minutemen 21
Naresuan's Elephant 24
Pathfinder 35
Sea Beggar 24
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 34
Tercio 12
Winged Hussar 24

 

[TreYs]

B17 24
Battering Ram 5 Agreed on the ruin upgrade from warrior. Makes it less than conventional for scouting at that point. Even though it's a beast on cities, that's its only purpose. Otherwise, it's weak to melee attacks, leaves you overall vulnerable to mounted units, and becomes obsolete toward the midgame.
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 33
Carolean 35
Chu-Ko-Nu 35 Can't say no to a unit that gets two attacks within one turn. Since XBs are a must in all games, getting the range promotion on these guys should seldom prove difficult.
Conquistador 12
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 16
Hussar 13
Hwacha 12
Immortal 7
Impi 33
Jaguar 21
Janissary 31
Keshik 32
Longbowman 35
Minutemen 21
Naresuan's Elephant 24
Pathfinder 35
Sea Beggar 24
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 34
Tercio 12
Winged Hussar 24

 

[BUDISMYBUDDY]

B17 24-3= 21 idk why
Battering Ram 5
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 33
Carolean 35
Chu-Ko-Nu 35
Conquistador 12
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 16
Hussar 13
Hwacha 12
Immortal 7
Impi 33
Jaguar 21
Janissary 31
Keshik 32+1= 33 run and pray they dont find you when you see these guys
Longbowman 35
Minutemen 21
Naresuan's Elephant 24
Pathfinder 35
Sea Beggar 24
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 34
Tercio 12
Winged Hussar 24

 

[Beaver79]

B17 21
Battering Ram 5
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 33
Carolean 35
Chu-Ko-Nu 35
Conquistador 12
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 16
Hussar 13
Hwacha 12
Immortal 7
Impi 33 + 1 = 34 You can naturally upgrade into range and bombard. You can't upgrade into what the impi's got.
Jaguar 21
Janissary 31
Keshik 33
Longbowman 35
Minutemen 21
Naresuan's Elephant 24
Pathfinder 35 - 3 = 32 I'm a cheater and save it right before I get a hut with new random seed selected. With enough reloads you get whatever these guys would have gotten. Don't hate.
Sea Beggar 24
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 34
Tercio 12
Winged Hussar 24

 

[Furret]

B17 21
Battering Ram 5
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 33
Carolean 35
Chu-Ko-Nu 35
Conquistador 12
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 16
Hussar 13
Hwacha 9 - I really can't get behind the idea of siege units that suck at siegeing. If they replaced the crossbowman (basically just more damage) I would get behind that, but it doesn't really work historically.
Immortal 7
Impi 34
Jaguar 21
Janissary 31
Keshik 33
Longbowman 35
Minutemen 21
Naresuan's Elephant 24
Pathfinder 33 - Nothing like a good early start to set the runaway train in motion. These guys take the luck out of the ruins and can really get you ahead (or caught up xD) with proper use.
Sea Beggar 24
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 34
Tercio 12
Winged Hussar 24

 

[Furret]

Pathfinder 35 - 3 = 32 I'm a cheater and save it right before I get a hut with new random seed selected. With enough reloads you get whatever these guys would have gotten. Don't hate.

I don't know if it deserves a downvote just because you can cheat to get the same result

 

[redwings1340]

B17 23
Battering Ram 8
Berber Cavalry 16
Camel Archer 33
Carolean 35
Chu-Ko-Nu 34
Conquistador 12
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 16
Hussar 10 I'm not sure I've built or bought a horse unit in the past several games. This still doesn't look worth building.
Hwacha 15
Immortal 10
Impi 32
Jaguar 24
Janissary 31
Keshik 35
Longbowman 33
Minutemen 21
Naresuan's Elephant 24
Pathfinder 34
Sea Beggar 28 I thought I had played as the Dutch before, but I recently realized I have no experience with the Polder, and didn't know what these things do. Looking them up though: privateers with 2 extra promotions and can heal outside friendly territory? This thing looks amazing! I think I should play as the Netherlands for my next game!
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 34
Tercio 15
Winged Hussar 24

 

[Clause]

B17 21
Battering Ram 2 Although i admit it is good but it's easy to counter due to their inability to march against melee. High production cost in early games pretty nerf their potential.
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 33
Carolean 35
Chu-Ko-Nu 35
Conquistador 12
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 16
Hussar 10
Hwacha 9
Immortal 7
Impi 34
Jaguar 21
Janissary 31
Keshik 33
Longbowman 36
Minutemen 21
Naresuan's Elephant 24
Pathfinder 33
Sea Beggar 25
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 34
Tercio 12
Winged Hussar 24

 

[greygamer]

B17 21
Battering Ram 2
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 33
Carolean 35
Chu-Ko-Nu 35
Conquistador 12
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 16
Hussar 10
Hwacha 9
Immortal 7
Impi 34
Jaguar 21
Janissary 31
Keshik 34 Makes conquest easy and remain useful well past the unit they replace, Knights
Longbowman 36
Minutemen 21
Naresuan's Elephant 24
Pathfinder 33
Sea Beggar 25
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 34
Tercio 10 Horse units aren't really a problem at this time, except the Keshik & Camel Archers which are ranged
Winged Hussar 24

 

[Sake]

B17 21
Battering Ram 2
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 33
Carolean 35
Chu-Ko-Nu 35
Conquistador 9
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 16
Hussar 10
Hwacha 9
Immortal 7
Impi 34
Jaguar 21
Janissary 31
Keshik 34
Longbowman 36
Minutemen 21
Naresuan's Elephant 25
Pathfinder 33
Sea Beggar 25
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 34
Tercio 10
Winged Hussar 24

Conquistador: Good scout, but settling ability is really map dependent. Wonderful unit when playing on terra, but otherwise it doesn't have much use. Also you lose promoted unit when settling with conquistador. It's good in land combat as a scout as well, but that's pretty much it.

N. elephant: Really powerful unit, that can easily fight toe-to-toe with muskets and even cavalry.

 

[Walter R]

B17 21
Battering Ram 2
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 33
Carolean 35
Chu-Ko-Nu 35
Conquistador 6
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 16
Hussar 10
Hwacha 9
Immortal 7
Impi 34
Jaguar 21
Janissary 31
Keshik 34
Longbowman 36
Minutemen 22
Naresuan's Elephant 25
Pathfinder 33
Sea Beggar 25
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 34
Tercio 10
Winged Hussar 24

Conquistador - never found these guys as good as I thought they would be, seem very situational

Minuteman - however these are great and keep their ability. In one game as China I kept getting gifted them and my late game army was unstoppable!

 

[cpm4001]

B17 21
Battering Ram 2
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 33
Carolean 35
Chu-Ko-Nu 35
Conquistador 6
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 16
Hussar 10
Hwacha 9
Immortal 7
Impi 34
Jaguar 21
Janissary 31
Keshik 34
Longbowman 36
Minutemen 22
Naresuan's Elephant 25 - 3 = 22 - I'm contrite and it's fun!
Pathfinder 33
Sea Beggar 25 + 1 = 26 - Barracks + Armory + Sea Beggar = Privateer with Coastal Raider III, Supply, and Logistics. Go kick the Spaniards out of Brielle!
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 34
Tercio 10
Winged Hussar 24

 

[Pepo]

B17 21
Battering Ram 2 -3=0 not bad when well use,but the siege tower it is much better(well the best is battering rams combine with siege tower but that is strange to happen)
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 33
Carolean 35
Chu-Ko-Nu 35
Conquistador 6+1=7 wasted vote but i really love this guys
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 16
Hussar 10
Hwacha 9
Immortal 7
Impi 34
Jaguar 21
Janissary 31
Keshik 34
Longbowman 36
Minutemen 22
Naresuan's Elephant 22
Pathfinder 33
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 34
Tercio 10
Winged Hussar 24

 

[Matthew.]

B17 18
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 34
Carolean 35
Chu-Ko-Nu 35
Conquistador 7
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 16
Hussar 10
Hwacha 9
Immortal 7
Impi 34
Jaguar 21
Janissary 31
Keshik 34
Longbowman 36
Minutemen 22
Naresuan's Elephant 22
Pathfinder 33
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 34
Tercio 10
Winged Hussar 24

Camelz y u no win yet? I don't mind the 1 less movement than Keshiks. It is still enough to move in on a forest tile, shoot, and move out. In return for the small movement cost, you get a much better UA and overpowered UB.

B17: Just personal opinion. One bomber stack is as good as another bomber stack. The AI is terrible at countering any bomber, so it's perks go unnoticed since the base version of the unit ends up being just as powerful. The free promotion is nice to get repair and logistics sooner, but I've never had a problem racking up promo's on air units.

 

[VicRatlhead5199]

B17 15

Just personal opinion. One bomber stack is as good as another bomber stack. The AI is terrible at countering any bomber, so it's perks go unnoticed since the base version of the unit ends up being just as powerful. The free promotion is nice to get repair and logistics sooner, but I've never had a problem racking up promo's on air units.

You're not the only one who feels that way. Bombers are amazingly powerful no matter what, the B17 is great and all but it doesn't impact the game much more than a standard bomber does.
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 34
Carolean 35
Chu-Ko-Nu 35
Conquistador 7
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 16
Hussar 10
Hwacha 9
Immortal 7
Impi 34
Jaguar 21
Janissary 31
Keshik 35- Enough movement to move in on a forest tile, shoot both logistics attacks, and move out. Quick study ensures you get logistics fast too. I try to not include other uniques into my argument but since the bazaar keeps coming up in the CA argument maybe people need to be reminded about the Kahn who perfectly compliments the Keshik and doesn't have its usefulness limited by too much warmongering like the bazaar does.
Longbowman 36
Minutemen 22
Naresuan's Elephant 22
Pathfinder 33
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 34
Tercio 10
Winged Hussar 24

 

[Matthew.]

Free luxuries = free camels.

When war-monger penalties start piling up, you have enough extra copies to trade multiple luxuries for a single luxury you don't have to keep happiness up.

I see Keshiks like the Honor policy: Better for combat, but the AI is so terrible at tactical combat it isn't needed so better to focus on infrastructure instead. Playing as Arabia you are simply given one of the best combat units in the game. No need to divert build order or sacrifice any infrastructure.

 

[VicRatlhead5199]

If it were earlier like a classical era UU I'd agree but by the medieval your infrastructure should have a pretty healthy start.

 

[thegingerninja]

B17 18
Berber Cavalry 17
Camel Archer 34
Carolean 35
Chu-Ko-Nu 35
Conquistador 7
Cossack 27
Horse Archer 16
Hussar 10
Hwacha 9
Immortal 7 Turns into a lancer.
Impi 34
Jaguar 21
Janissary 31
Keshik 35 Allows you to use both your logistics shots in one turn, which you got because of the bonus from Khans and Honor. 15+15 is better than 21, and pulls in more xp just as icing on the cake.
Longbowman 36
Minutemen 22
Naresuan's Elephant 22
Pathfinder 33
Sea Beggar 26
Ship of the Line 36
Siege Tower 34
Tercio 10
Winged Hussar 24

 

[Dr. D]

Some interesting logic here... battering rams out before units like the hwacha? Really? It's more dominant than just about any UU in its given era but to each his own I suppose.

Regarding camel archers vs. keshiks, camel archers win that battle hands down. They're stronger and are therefore more useful for a longer length of time. The movement points are negligible to me... I typically can accomplish everything I need in 4 movement points without worrying about a 5th.