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Unique Unit Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by BasedGod, Sep 11, 2013.

  1. DeathwatchBob

    DeathwatchBob Chieftain

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    B17 15
    Berber Cavalry 8
    Camel Archer 35
    Carolean 36
    Chu-Ko-Nu 38
    Cossack 27
    Horse Archer 17
    Hussar 8
    Impi 35
    Jaguar 14
    Janissary 35
    Keshik 33
    Longbowman 38
    Minutemen 14
    Naresuan's Elephant 20
    Pathfinder 35
    Sea Beggar 26
    Ship of the Line 36
    Siege Tower 33
    Winged Hussar 25

    I'd rather have Hussars than Berber Cavalry for sure. The extra move lets you move across two rough terrain tiles and still take a city.

    Pathfinder removes the randomness of not getting that early culture from ruins. And on top of that they are warrior strength and you can promote them into Comp Bows before researching archery.
     
  2. Crafty Bison

    Crafty Bison King

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    Really? What did they do to them? I was previously in the camp that like them enough to maybe break top 10, but not so much that I'll defend them on here. Might have to change if they've got even better...
     
  3. Nickbonista

    Nickbonista Chieftain

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    They now have an ability similar to the Pracinha, whereby they earn golden age points with kills
     
  4. Jamesson

    Jamesson Chieftain

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    B17 15
    Berber Cavalry 8
    Camel Archer 35
    Carolean 36
    Chu-Ko-Nu 38
    Cossack 27
    Horse Archer 17
    Hussar 8
    Impi 35
    Jaguar 14
    Janissary 35
    Keshik 33
    Longbowman 39
    Minutemen 14
    Naresuan's Elephant 20
    Pathfinder 35
    Sea Beggar 26
    Ship of the Line 36
    Siege Tower 33
    Winged Hussar 22

    Longbows are terrain dependent, yes. But so are chu ko nus in a way. If you are in a position where you have to move one tile and then fire, then a normal crossbowman is better than the chu. Not that they're bad, but Longbows are better.

    No matter how good the Winged hussar is it still upgrades to an anti tank gun and stays forever.
     
  5. Sake

    Sake Warlord

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    B17 15
    Berber Cavalry 5
    Camel Archer 35
    Carolean 36
    Chu-Ko-Nu 38
    Cossack 27
    Horse Archer 17
    Hussar 8
    Impi 35
    Jaguar 14
    Janissary 35
    Keshik 33
    Longbowman 39
    Minutemen 14
    Naresuan's Elephant 21
    Pathfinder 35
    Sea Beggar 26
    Ship of the Line 36
    Siege Tower 33
    Winged Hussar 22

    N. elephant: Reason why Siam must be killed before chivalry, if you are going for domination.

    Berber: Out of three cavalry UU's left this is weakest one. There will always be wounded units in the field for cossack and there will always be flanking bonuses for hussars, but there won't always be desert for berbers.
     
  6. Teagen

    Teagen Warlord

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    B17 15
    Berber Cavalry 5
    Camel Archer 35
    Carolean 36
    Chu-Ko-Nu 39
    Cossack 27
    Horse Archer 17
    Hussar 8
    Impi 35
    Jaguar 14
    Janissary 35
    Keshik 33
    Longbowman 39
    Minutemen 11
    Naresuan's Elephant 21
    Pathfinder 35
    Sea Beggar 26
    Ship of the Line 36
    Siege Tower 33
    Winged Hussar 22

    Boo! Minutemen don't deserve to be this far into the list!

    Chu's are more fearsome then longbowmen, unless you're attacking cities, which isn't all that difficult anyway.
     
  7. jlim201

    jlim201 King

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    B17 12- This is a good unit, but its the latest unit, and has the smallest window of usage of the units remaining, as you usually win when these come out.
    Berber Cavalry 5
    Camel Archer 35
    Carolean 36
    Chu-Ko-Nu 39
    Cossack 27
    Horse Archer 17
    Hussar 8
    Impi 36- Very good unit for attacking, and good for defense as well. Has a great upgrade path.
    Jaguar 14
    Janissary 35
    Keshik 33
    Longbowman 39
    Minutemen 11
    Naresuan's Elephant 21
    Pathfinder 35
    Sea Beggar 26
    Ship of the Line 36
    Siege Tower 33
    Winged Hussar 22
     
  8. Beaver79

    Beaver79 Warlord

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    B17 12
    Berber Cavalry 5
    Camel Archer 36 = 35 + 1 You can take 3 CAs, 3 Keshiks, or 3 longbowmen and clear a continent without taking a loss. Chus also but it's messier. Try doing that with melee elephants.
    Carolean 36
    Chu-Ko-Nu 39
    Cossack 27
    Horse Archer 17
    Hussar 8
    Impi 36
    Jaguar 14
    Janissary 35
    Keshik 33
    Longbowman 39
    Minutemen 11
    Naresuan's Elephant 18 = 21 - 3 a slow knight. Boo
    Pathfinder 35
    Sea Beggar 26
    Ship of the Line 36
    Siege Tower 33
    Winged Hussar 22
     
  9. Wabango

    Wabango Chieftain

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    B17 12
    Berber Cavalry 5
    Camel Archer 36
    Carolean 36
    Chu-Ko-Nu 39
    Cossack 27
    Horse Archer 17
    Hussar 5
    Impi 36
    Jaguar 14
    Janissary 35
    Keshik 34
    Longbowman 39
    Minutemen 11
    Naresuan's Elephant 18
    Pathfinder 35
    Sea Beggar 26
    Ship of the Line 36
    Siege Tower 33
    Winged Hussar 22

    Hussars do not cut it for me, I think that if a UU requires a resource, horses should be the least desired strategic. All in all, sub-par with what we have remaining.

    Keshiks are unstoppable, depending on the map size, about five of these can take a continent.
     
  10. Matthew.

    Matthew. Deity

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    B17 12
    Berber Cavalry 5
    Camel Archer 36
    Carolean 36
    Chu-Ko-Nu 39
    Cossack 27
    Horse Archer 14
    Hussar 5
    Impi 36
    Jaguar 14
    Janissary 35
    Keshik 34
    Longbowman 39
    Minutemen 11
    Naresuan's Elephant 19
    Pathfinder 35
    Sea Beggar 26
    Ship of the Line 36
    Siege Tower 33
    Winged Hussar 22

    Horse archers are useful, but they are no Keshiks/Camels. List is getting short, time to start cutting off some of these units even if they are decent UU's.

    Stampy is one of the most powerful mid-game UU's. Hint: They are less for domination and more for having a stupid powerful defensive wall that Renaissance era units cannot break and even industrial units will have trouble breaking.
     
  11. CanaDutch

    CanaDutch Chieftain

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    B17 12
    Berber Cavalry 5
    Camel Archer 36
    Carolean 36
    Chu-Ko-Nu 39
    Cossack 27
    Horse Archer 14
    Hussar 5
    Impi 36
    Jaguar 14
    Janissary 35
    Keshik 34
    Longbowman 39
    Minutemen 11
    Naresuan's Elephant 19
    Pathfinder 35
    Sea Beggar 27
    Ship of the Line 33
    Siege Tower 33
    Winged Hussar 22

    It's so easy to get Logistics with the Sea Beggar. This allows it to attack twice and move out of harm's way and heal up with the free Supply promotion. A few of these can take down cities and get you a lot of gold. On Deity these ships are invaluable in taking over enemy ships to build up a navy to overpower your enemies. And as if things couldn't get better, you can upgrade them to Destroyers.

    While the Ship of the Line is strong, I don't think they're better than Sea Beggars. I prefer to steal them from the AI with my 'Beggars :p.
     
  12. Pepo

    Pepo Prince

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    B17 12
    Berber Cavalry 5
    Camel Archer 36
    Carolean 36
    Chu-Ko-Nu 39
    Cossack 27
    Horse Archer 14
    Hussar 5
    Impi 36
    Jaguar 14
    Janissary 35
    Keshik 34
    Longbowman 39
    Minutemen 11-3=8 decent UU that simply isn't that good
    Naresuan's Elephant 19+1=20 the only good knigth replacement.really well suitedfor siam,a normally peacefull civilization,that get units that will defeat any othe medieval unit
    Pathfinder 35
    Sea Beggar 27
    Ship of the Line 33
    Siege Tower 33
    Winged Hussar 22
     
  13. VicRatlhead5199

    VicRatlhead5199 King

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    B17 12
    Berber Cavalry 2 Good unit but the worst one left imo.
    Camel Archer 36
    Carolean 36
    Chu-Ko-Nu 39
    Cossack 27
    Horse Archer 14
    Hussar 5
    Impi 36
    Jaguar 14
    Janissary 35
    Keshik 35 Unstoppable, period.
    Longbowman 39
    Minutemen 8
    Naresuan's Elephant 20
    Pathfinder 35
    Sea Beggar 27
    Ship of the Line 33
    Siege Tower 33
    Winged Hussar 22
     
  14. TreYs

    TreYs Chieftain

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    B17 12
    Berber Cavalry 2
    Camel Archer 36
    Carolean 36
    Chu-Ko-Nu 39
    Cossack 27
    Horse Archer 11 It's like the CA/Keshik, but it comes too early to use effectively. Can prove fairly difficult to mass at the start.
    Hussar 5
    Impi 36
    Jaguar 14
    Janissary 35
    Keshik 35
    Longbowman 40 Welcome to the 40 ring!
    Minutemen 8
    Naresuan's Elephant 20
    Pathfinder 35
    Sea Beggar 27
    Ship of the Line 33
    Siege Tower 33
    Winged Hussar 22
     
  15. DeathwatchBob

    DeathwatchBob Chieftain

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    B17 12
    Berber Cavalry 0
    Camel Archer 36
    Carolean 36
    Chu-Ko-Nu 39
    Cossack 27
    Horse Archer 11
    Hussar 5
    Impi 36
    Jaguar 14
    Janissary 35
    Keshik 35
    Longbowman 40
    Minutemen 8
    Naresuan's Elephant 20
    Pathfinder 36
    Sea Beggar 27
    Ship of the Line 33
    Siege Tower 33
    Winged Hussar 22

    I'd rather have Comanche Riders than Berber Cavalry, and Comanches are already gone so ...

    Pathfinder goes up because it feels like starting the game in cheat mode.
     
  16. sendos

    sendos Immortal

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    B17 12
    Berber Cavalry 2
    Camel Archer 36
    Carolean 36
    Chu-Ko-Nu 39
    Cossack 27
    Horse Archer 8 An earlier, worse version of the keshik. And this unit can't move after attacking, which doesn't make any sense. This applies to chariots as well. Also replaces the wrong unit. It should replace the chariot. It would give the Huns 2 cavalry unit types and 2 siege unit types for early warmongering.
    Hussar 5
    Impi 36
    Jaguar 14
    Janissary 35
    Keshik 35
    Longbowman 40
    Minutemen 9 I can't believe people are voting down a unit that offers free drill 1 promotion and no terrain costs. The golden-age-points-on-kill bonus is icing on the cake (and I thought that bonus didn't make the beta update anyway. I'm receiving conflicting news on this). This stacks well with upgraded units. Think of a mech infantry with that. Musketeers and tercios deserve to be eliminated because they're short term units. They're useless after the industrial and modern era respectively, whilst minutemen, provided that they survive in battle, would make epic special forces for America, which is rather appropriate. :p
    Naresuan's Elephant 20
    Pathfinder 35
    Sea Beggar 27
    Ship of the Line 33
    Siege Tower 33
    Winged Hussar 22
     
  17. Teagen

    Teagen Warlord

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    B17 12
    Berber Cavalry 0
    Camel Archer 36
    Carolean 36
    Chu-Ko-Nu 39
    Cossack 27
    Horse Archer 8
    Hussar 5
    Impi 36
    Jaguar 14
    Janissary 35
    Keshik 35
    Longbowman 40
    Minutemen 9
    Naresuan's Elephant 20
    Pathfinder 36
    Sea Beggar 27
    Ship of the Line 33
    Siege Tower 33
    Winged Hussar 22
     
  18. redwings1340

    redwings1340 Emperor

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    B17 12
    Camel Archer 36
    Carolean 36
    Chu-Ko-Nu 39
    Cossack 27
    Horse Archer 8
    Hussar 2 Someone has to be downvoted. Might as well be this guy.
    Impi 36
    Jaguar 14
    Janissary 35
    Keshik 35
    Longbowman 40
    Minutemen 9
    Naresuan's Elephant 20
    Pathfinder 36
    Sea Beggar 27
    Ship of the Line 34 I don't think I've upvoted this guy yet. It's a pretty good ship. Extra sight is nice on a ship, but the main purpose is just to destroy everyone else on the seas during this era. This is one of the few units that's really good just from a temporary +strength promotion.
    Siege Tower 33
    Winged Hussar 22
     
  19. BUDISMYBUDDY

    BUDISMYBUDDY Chieftain

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    B17 12
    Camel Archer 36
    Carolean 36
    Chu-Ko-Nu 39
    Cossack 27
    Horse Archer 8
    Hussar 2-3= gone....
    Impi 36
    Jaguar 14
    Janissary 35
    Keshik 35+1= 36 just so deadly
    Longbowman 40
    Minutemen 9
    Naresuan's Elephant 20
    Pathfinder 36
    Sea Beggar 27
    Ship of the Line 34
    Siege Tower 33
    Winged Hussar 22
     
  20. Sake

    Sake Warlord

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    B17 12
    Camel Archer 36
    Carolean 36
    Chu-Ko-Nu 39
    Cossack 27
    Horse Archer 5 - Not a bad unit, but i had to downvote something. It has great synergy with battering rams and those two give the Huns ancient era dominance. But calling this ancient version of Keshik is not accurate, it can't move after firing, and is therefore vulnerable to spearmen and city bombardment. It also suffers from terrible upgrade path, losing all ranged promotions on upgrade.
    Impi 36
    Jaguar 14
    Janissary 35
    Keshik 36
    Longbowman 40
    Minutemen 10 - Let's save this for a little bit longer. Musket with free drill and no terrain costs plus golden age points from kills is really nice, especially since all of those thing carry through upgrade! No terrain cost allows flanking enemy more easily and free drill allows this to start with drill III if city has barracks and armory, which puts it just one promo away from march. While it is not as good as Janissary, it definitely deserves living little bit longer.
    Naresuan's Elephant 20
    Pathfinder 36
    Sea Beggar 27
    Ship of the Line 34
    Siege Tower 33
    Winged Hussar 22
     

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