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Discussion in 'Civ4 - World 2009 Mod' started by sheep21, Dec 18, 2008.

  1. DVS

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    I mean even more than art though man. I mean totally merging, leaving some of the frigates out and replacing those with ones we do include. If that makes sense.

    Sub and destroyers I think are fine, we can include all those.

    But there are like over 40 frigates there, do we need that many is my question.
     
  2. sheep21

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    i imagine some can be combined quite easily
    will have a go on the weekend
     
  3. DVS

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    ok I will focus on getting subs and destroyers in the mod until then.
     
  4. sheep21

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    no longer needed
     
  5. DVS

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    That is great pal, thanks for doing that. So I guess we are almost done here? Missing only transports and carriers?

    If I may, perhaps we can just go with a headcount of transports, rather than getting specific. Or maybe have two kinds of transport, an older one an a modern one. Anyway just a suggestion, I will bow to your wisdom sheep.
     
  6. DVS

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    What did I do wrong to come up with 45 here?



    - Anzac class frigate (Australia\New Zealand)
    - Halifax class frigate (Canada)
    - Thetis class ocean patrol vessel (Denmark)
    - Moudge class frigate (Iran)
    - Yubari class destroyer escort (Japan)
    - Abukuma class destroyer escort (Japan)
    - Descubierta class frigate (Spain)
    - Fridtjof Nansen class frigate (Spain)
    - Najin class frigate (North Korea)
    - Rear-Admiral Eustatiu Sebastian class frigate (Romania)
    - Admiral Petre Barbuneanu class frigate (Romania)
    - Ulsan class frigate (South Korea)
    - Álvaro de Bazán class frigate (Spain)
    - Type 23 frigate (United Kingdom)
    - Type 22 frigate (UK)

    -1970's UK Frigate (UK)
    *Replacing Type 61 Class, Type 41 Class, Tribal Class & Alvand Class Frigates

    - 1980's UK Frigate (UK)
    *Replacing Niteroi class, Lekiu Class & Type 21 Frigates

    - Type 053 frigate (Peoples Republic of China)
    - Type 054 frigate (PRC)

    - Early 80's MEKO Frigate (West Germany
    *Including the MEKO 140 & MEKO 360 classes

    - Almirante Padilla\Kasturi class frigate (West Germany)

    - Vasco da Gama class frigate (Germany -Part of the Meko family)
    *Including MEKO 200 PN, MEKO 200TN, MEKO 200 HN subclasses.

    - Bremen class frigate (Germany)
    - Brandenburg class frigate (Germany)
    - Sachsen class frigate (Germany)
    - Valour class frigate (Germany)

    - 1960's Soviet Frigate (Russian Federation)
    *Including the Riga & Petya classes

    - 1970's Soviet Frigate (Russian Federation)
    *Including the Krivak & Koni classes

    - Neustrashimy class frigate (Russian Federation)
    - Talwar class frigate (Russian Federation)
    - Tartarstan/Gepard class frigate (Russian Federation)

    - Garcia class frigate (USA)
    - Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate (USA & under license in Spain\Taiwan\Australia)
    - Knox class frigate (USA)

    -Basic early French Frigate (EU)
    *Including the Commandant Rivière & Caassard Classes

    - 1990's French Frigate (EU)
    *Including the Floréal & Georges Leygues Classes


    - La Fayette class frigate (France & Licence built by Singapore)

    -Early Dutch & Belgien Frigate
    *Including the Wielingen & Van Speijk class

    - Kortenaer class frigate (Netherlands)
    *Including the Jacob Van Heemskerk Class AA Variant

    - Karel Doorman class frigate (Netherlands)
    - De Zeven Provinciën class frigate (Netherlands)

    - Lupo class frigate (Italy)
    - Maestrale class frigate (Italy)

    - Indian Leander variant frigate (India)
    *Including the Brahmaputra, Godavari and Nilfiri Classes

    - Shivalik class frigate (India)
     
  7. sheep21

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    nothing, the ones I combined originaly counted up to 33, they now add up to 15-20 of the current total. Before there were over 65 :p

    I'll have another crack at it tonight mate.
     
  8. DVS

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    you lost me


    sorry I think I've been staring at xml code for too long
     
  9. sheep21

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    lol

    the list was oriningall 65 or so ships long. after cutting that down we now arrive at the number 45 after I have combined a number of classes. More sense?
     
  10. DVS

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    ok I get it. Yeah we still need to cut it down unfortunately. With our merges and leaderheads and everything we're approaching 700 megs already here and we still have all the units and unique buildings to add. :help:

    Although that will come down a lot when we pack our graphics. I hope.
     
  11. sheep21

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    ya doing well dude.

    will crack on with Frigates this afternoon
     
  12. sheep21

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  13. DVS

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    how many did you cut down? things may have to get somewhat skewed frigate wise I'm afraid. :(


    I'm not saying you have to keep figuring this out now, just that we may not be able to get all these in.
     
  14. sheep21

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    thats 42 total we have now. less than the total number of civs were creating. can you log onto Yahoo?
     
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    CANADIAN BUILT


    - Halifax class frigate (Canada)
    -- Operators
    --- 12 Canada

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit


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    MINOR EUROPEAN NATIONS


    Minor EU Nations Common Frigate
    -- Operators
    --- 4 Denmark
    --- 4 Romania
    --- 3 Bulgaria
    --- 6 Indonesia

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit, including Thetis Class, Admiral Petre Barbuneanu class, Rear-Admiral Eustatiu Sebastian class, Wielingen class, Van Speijk class

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    IRANIAN BUILT


    - Moudge class frigate (Iran)
    -- Operators
    --- 2 (Iran)

    Notes - In production


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    JAPANESE BUILT


    - Abukuma class destroyer escort (Japan)
    -- Operators
    --- 8 Japan

    Notes - Non builable starting unit including the Yubari class destroyer escort


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    SPANISH BUILT


    - Descubierta class frigate (Spain)
    -- Operators
    --- 5 Spain
    --- 2 Egypt
    --- 1 Morroco

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Álvaro de Bazán class frigate (Spain)
    -- Operators
    --- 4 Spain
    --- 3 Norway

    Notes - In production and including the Fridtjof Nansen class variant

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    SOUTH KOREAN BUILT


    - Ulsan class frigate (South Korea)
    -- Operators
    --- 9 South Korea
    --- 1 Bangladesh

    Notes - non buildable start unit


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    BRITISH BUILT

    - Type 23 frigate (United Kingdom)
    -- Operators
    --- 13 UK
    --- 3 Chile

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Type 22 frigate (UK)
    -- Operators
    --- 4 Brazil
    --- 2 Romania
    --- 1 Chile
    --- 14 UK

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    1970's UK Frigate (UK)
    --- 4 Bangladesh
    --- 3 Indonesia
    --- 3 Iran
    --- 9 India

    Non buildable starting unit including the Brahmaputra, Godavari, Indian Leander Variants and Nilfiri Classes


    Replacing Type 61 Class, Type 41 Class, Tribal Class & Alvand Class Frigates

    - 1980's UK Frigate (UK)
    --- 6 Pakistan
    --- 2 Malaysia
    --- 7 Brazil

    - Replacing Niteroi class, Lekiu Class & Type 21 Frigates


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    CHINESE BUILT


    - Type 053 frigate (Peoples Republic of China)
    -- Operators
    --- 46 PRC
    --- 1 Bangladesh
    --- 4 Thailand
    --- 2 Egypt
    --- 2 North Korea

    Notes -non buildable starting unit - this should be laughably bad!

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit invcluding the Type 053H3 frigate class & Najin class frigate

    - Type 054 frigate (PRC)
    -- Operators
    --- 6 PRC

    Notes - In Production


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    GERMAN BUILT


    - Early 80's MEKO Frigates (West Germany)
    -- Operators
    --- 10 Argentina
    --- 1 Nigeria
    --- 4 Colombia
    --- 2 Malaysia

    Notes - Non Buildable & Including the MEKO 140, MEKO 360 classes & Almirante Padilla\Kasturi class frigate

    - MEKO 200 Frigate (Germany)
    -- Operators
    --- 8 Australia
    --- 2 New Zealand
    --- 3 Portugal
    --- 8 Turkey
    --- 4 Greece
    --- 4 South Africa

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit & Including MEKO 200 PN, MEKO 200TN, MEKO 200 HN, MEKO 200RAN\RNZN subclasses, MEKO 200 SAN.

    - Bremen class frigate (Germany)
    -- Operators
    --- 12 Germany

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit including the Brandenburg class frigate

    - Sachsen class frigate (Germany)
    -- Operators
    --- 3 Germany

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit



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    SOVIET\RUSSIAN BUILT


    - 1960's Soviet Frigate
    -- Operators
    --- 3 Bulgaria
    --- 6 Vietnam
    --- 2 Syria

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit including the Riga & Petya classes

    - 1970's Soviet Frigate
    --- 16 Russian Federation
    --- 1 Ukraine
    --- 3 Algeria
    --- 1 Bulgaria
    --- 2 Egypt

    Notes - Non buildable startin unit including the Krivak & Koni classes

    - Neustrashimy class frigate (USSR\Russian Federation)
    -- Operators
    --- 1 Russian Federation

    Notes - In production

    - Talwar class frigate (Russia)
    -- Operators
    --- 3 India

    Notes - In production - 3 more on order from Russia

    - Tartarstan/Gepard class frigate (Russian Federation)
    -- Operators
    --- 1 Russian Federation
    --- 0 Vietnam

    Notes - In production, 4 ordered by Vietnam.


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    UNITED STATES BUILT

    - Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate (USA & under license in Spain\Taiwan\Australia)
    -- Operators
    --- 30 USA
    --- 10 Turkey
    --- 6 Spain
    --- 8 Taiwan
    --- 2 Poland
    --- 4 Egypt
    --- 1 Bahrain
    --- 4 Australia
    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Knox class frigate (USA)
    -- Operators
    --- 12 Turkey
    --- 4 Mexico
    --- 2 Thailand
    --- 2 Egypt
    --- 8 Taiwan

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit


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    FRENCH BUILT


    -Basic early French Frigates
    -- Operators
    --- 3 Uruguay
    --- 2 France

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit including the Commandant Rivière & Caassard Classes

    - 1990's French Frigates(France)
    -- Operators
    --- 13 France
    --- 2 Morroco

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit including the Floréal & Georges Leygues Classes


    - La Fayette class frigate (France & Licence built by Singapore)
    -- Operators
    --- 5 France
    --- 6 Taiwan
    --- 6 Singapore
    --- 3 Saudi Arabia

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit


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    BENELUX BUILT

    - Kortenaer class frigate (Netherlands)
    -- Operators
    --- 10 Greece
    --- 2 United Arab Emirates
    --- 2 Chile

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit including the Jacob Van Heemskerk Class AA Variant

    - Karel Doorman class frigate (Netherlands)
    -- Operators
    --- 2 Belgium
    --- 2 Chile
    --- 2 Portugal
    --- 2 Netherlands

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - De Zeven Provinciën class frigate (Netherlands)
    -- Operators
    --- 4 Netherlands

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit


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    ITALIAN BUILT


    - Lupo class frigate (Italy)
    -- Operators
    --- 8 Peru
    --- 6 Venezula
    --- 4 Italy

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Maestrale class frigate (Italy)
    -- Operators
    --- 8 Italy

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit


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    INDIAN BUILT

    - Shivalik class frigate (India)
    -- Operators
    --- 2 India

    Notes - In production

    Right, I have used a crowbar and alot of brute force and managed to squeeze this down to 33 ship classes, considering we started with 65 I think thats a minor miracle! Really, this is as low as it gets before we have major distortions from reality and lose the realistic look we were going for.
     
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    SS: Attack Submarine (Diesel-Electric Power) - some of the most modern classes can carry cruise missiles for land attack
    - Lada class submarine (Russia)
    -- Operators
    --- 2 Russia

    Notes - In production - carries small No. of cruise missiles

    - Kilo class submarine (USSR\Russia)
    -- Operators
    --- 4 Algeria
    --- 12 Peoples Republic of China (PRC)
    --- 10 India
    --- 2 Indonesia
    --- 6 Iran
    --- 1 Poland
    --- 1 Romania
    --- 24 Russian Federation (of which 8 are in Reserve)

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Romeo class submarine (USSR\PRC)
    -- Operators
    --- 31 China
    --- 22 North Korea
    --- 1 Bulgaria
    --- 4 Egypt

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit - Obsolete in every way.

    - Foxtrot Class (USSR)
    -- Operators
    --- 2 India
    --- 1 Ukraine

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit - can be left out if need be

    - Type 214 submarine (Germany) (South Korea\Greece (due to commision soon)\Turkey)
    -- Operators
    --- 4 Greece
    --- 4 South Korea - 5 more building in South Korean yards
    --- 0 Turkey (in final stages of negotiation for 6 subs)

    Notes - In production

    - Type 212 submarine (Germany)
    -- Operators
    --- 4 Germany
    --- 2 Italy

    Notes - In production

    - Dolphin class submarine (Germany) (Israel) - non buildable starting unit
    -- Operators
    --- 3 Israel

    Notes- Non buildable starting unit (suspected to be able to launc nuclear tipped "popeye turbo" missiles.

    - Ula class submarine (Germany)
    -- Operators
    --- 6 Norway

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Type 209 submarine (all subclasses produced by Germany)
    -- Operators
    --- 1 Argentina
    --- 4 Brazil
    --- 2 Chile
    --- 2 Columbia
    --- 2 Ecuador
    --- 8 Greece
    --- 4 India
    --- 2 Indonesia
    --- 9 South Korea
    --- 6 Peru
    --- 3 South Africa
    --- 14 Turkish Navy
    --- 2 Venezuela

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Type 206 submarine (Germany)
    -- Operators
    --- 6 Germany

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Södermanland\Västergötland class submarine (Sweden\Singapore) - non buildable unit
    -- Operators
    --- 2 Sweden
    --- 2 Singapore

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    -Gotland class submarine (Sweden) (Sweden) - non buildable starting unit
    -- Operators
    --- 3 Sweden

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Kobben class submarine (Germany)
    -- Operators
    --- 5 Poland

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Collins class submarine (Australia) (Australia)
    -- Operators
    --- 6 Australia

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit - can carry small No. of cruise missiles

    - Upholder\Victoria Class Submarine (UK)
    -- Operators
    --- 4 Canada

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit


    - Scorpène class submarine (France\Spain\under licence in India)
    -- Operators
    --- 2 Chile
    --- 0 India - 6 building in India
    --- 2 Malaysia

    Notes - In production

    - Agosta 90B class submarine (France)
    -- Operators
    --- 4 Spain
    --- 5 Pakistan

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Nahang class submarine (Iran) (Iran)
    -- Operators
    --- 1

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit - carries small No. of missiles

    - Yugo class submarine (North Korea)
    -- Operators
    --- 4 Iran

    Notes - SF infiltration submarine

    - Sauro class submarine (Italy)
    -- Operators
    --- 5 Italy

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Harushio class submarine (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
    -- Operators
    --- 7 Japan

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Oyashio class submarine (Japan)
    -- Operators
    --- 11 Japan

    Notes - last boat in commission 2008

    - Walrus class submarine (Netherlands) (Netherlands)
    -- Operators
    --- 4 Netherlands

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - Hai Lung\ Zwaardvis class submarine (Netherlands)
    -- Operators
    --- 2 Taiwan

    Notes - Non buildable starting unit

    - S-80 class Submarine (Spain\UK)
    -- Operators
    --- 0 Spain

    Notes - In production, 4 ordered

    thats all Submarines done, YAY!
     
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    This may be a bit late in the game and all, but: why do we need country-specific ships, no less frigates? Are they dramatically different? Wouldn't it be better to add different categories of ships, or apply weapons to them and make those into different classes.
     
  18. DVS

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    They are very different. We are trying to get every military as accurate as possible. Giving everyone the same frigates would not be realistic, plus it's boring.
     
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    different ships built to different standards, different designs, different missions, different lifespans, different technology. There are vast differences between, say an Indian 1970's frigate of UK design to a Japanese ship constructed in 2007.

    Also, frigates are the workhorses of most modern navies, there importance in modern naval operations and warfare merit there inclusion like this.
     
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    Great work as usual sheep21, thanks!


    -Halifax class frigate (Canada)
    -Minor EU Nations Common Frigate
    - Moudge class frigate (Iran)
    - Abukuma class destroyer escort (Japan)
    - Descubierta class frigate (Spain)
    - Álvaro de Bazán class frigate (Spain)
    - Ulsan class frigate (South Korea)
    - Type 23 frigate (United Kingdom)
    - Type 22 frigate (UK)
    -1970's UK Frigate (UK)
    - 1980's UK Frigate (UK)
    - Type 053 frigate (Peoples Republic of China)
    - Type 054 frigate (PRC)
    - Early 80's MEKO Frigates (West Germany)
    - MEKO 200 Frigate (Germany)
    - Bremen class frigate (Germany)
    - Sachsen class frigate (Germany)
    - 1960's Soviet Frigate
    - 1970's Soviet Frigate
    - Neustrashimy class frigate (USSR\Russian Federation)
    - Talwar class frigate (Russia)
    - Tartarstan/Gepard class frigate (Russian Federation)
    - Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate (USA)
    - Knox class frigate (USA)
    -Basic early French Frigates
    - 1990's French Frigates(France)
    - La Fayette class frigate (France & Licence built by Singapore)
    - Kortenaer class frigate (Netherlands)
    - Karel Doorman class frigate (Netherlands)
    - De Zeven Provinciën class frigate (Netherlands)
    - Lupo class frigate (Italy)
    - Maestrale class frigate (Italy)
    - Shivalik class frigate (India)


    Looks good, I'll add these to the art thread.
     

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