Unrestrained Leaders

[TriviAl]

Any philosophical leader for Egypt - Obelisks let you hire 2 priests - you'd get some crazily early GPs.

Ghandi would probably be my pick - use a lot of civic hopping.

Lincoln would be 'passively stronger' - get the happy benefits from the Obelisks and promos from the war chariot rush?

 

[Thyrwyn]

I disagree. I play Nat Am with Tokugawa in multiplayer everytime.

QFT - truly sick combo. 2 early resourceless units (Dog Soldiers and Uber Archers) with bonuses for each.

Alot better then churchill.

not sure if it's "a lot" better than Churchill, Charismatic is, in many ways better than Aggressive.

 

[Perfxion]

You don't need Boudica of the Romans for that overkill. Because yes you do get a big empire, but how can you control it? It would kill your economy so fast you would be teching at a 10% rate. Darius is a better leader because you can actually keep that large empire afloat.

 

[Frostyboy]

I disagree. I play Nat Am with Tokugawa in multiplayer everytime. Alot better then churchill. The thing with churchill is, You have to depand solely on archers. With tokugawa, You have Combat I Melee units. i've played many games. And most of them with tokugawa of nat america, I lost. You know why? I depanded to much on archers. (i had a stack of attacking archers ) But ever since i started using dog solders as well as archers and kept a balance, i've never lost a game. (after doing that i think i won around 12 games,)

This is again a discussion about Agressive vs Charismatic as that's the trait that differs these to leaders. Above you can read about another opinion on this topic where Sjaramei has a pretty different opinion. Personally I would choose Cha befor Agg, but to have both is also fun. And Yes, you absolutely need Dog Soldiers as well.

You don't need Boudica of the Romans for that overkill. Because yes you do get a big empire, but how can you control it? It would kill your economy so fast you would be teching at a 10% rate. Darius is a better leader because you can actually keep that large empire afloat.

You destroy the city - I'm not talking about winning a Space rate victory here

 

[Quildavyr]

Currently I'm using Hannibal of the Mongols, which is working really nicely.

I have used Hannibal of the Mongols too.Result was awesome.Keshiks have dominated the world,without facing any real trouble.

And i noticed the OP has no favourite leader for Byzantium.Brennus might be a good choice,but i have to try it first.

Holy Roman Mehmet is a perfect leader during wartime and early expansion.For warmongers...

 

[Frostyboy]

Sorry, I forgot the Byzantines - which is a shame since I recently was in Istanbul

I though a creative leader could do, but then the Hippodrome only cost 50 hammers, so that's not a very good discount (only 25).

I think the period for Cuirassiers (and Cataphracts) are too short - if you use them at all .Cavalry often comes before unless you fight all the time in that period.

They should rather kept the Dromons with Greek fire

 

[TheLastOne36]

not sure if it's "a lot" better than Churchill, Charismatic is, in many ways better than Aggressive.

Yes, i agree. Charismatic is better then Aggresive. But that isn't the point. Archers are only 3 Str. how much is an extra promotion gonna do? It also means you have to be completely depanded on archers. But with AGG, you melee are pretty good to. So there is somewhat of a balance.

This is again a discussion about Agressive vs Charismatic as that's the trait that differs these to leaders. Above you can read about another opinion on this topic where Sjaramei has a pretty different opinion. Personally I would choose Cha befor Agg, but to have both is also fun. And Yes, you absolutely need Dog Soldiers as well.

Ok. Let me clarify. Chr in my opinion is better then Agressive. BUT, in this case, i think AGG is better. Mainly because there needs to be balance. You'll lose if you depand on archers only. For me, City Garrison 3 Archers are for defending (even against cats and stuff) Other archers could be for fogbusting etc. BUT Dog solders are for attacking. If you only defend, then you'll likely lose at the end. Why? If your cities are to strongly defended, then they'll pillage your countryside, ruin your economy, and eventually take your city. While if you have some strong dog solders, you can eventually fight back to live another day.

 

[Frostyboy]

But Dog soldiers only have strenght 4, and with the +25% bonuses that you get with Combat I it only means +1strength extra. With Charismatic you can more easily choose Woodsman for instance and do Guerilla tactics easier.
I played the Natives with Churchill and managed to get level 7 units being Charismatic.

For Rome on the other hand I still think Aggressive is a good trait as a +25% bonus raises the Praetorians strength from 8 to 10.

 

[obliterate]

But Dog soldiers only have strenght 4, and with the +25% bonuses that you get with Combat I it only means +1strength extra. With Charismatic you can more easily choose Woodsman for instance and do Guerilla tactics easier.
I played the Natives with Churchill and managed to get level 7 units being Charismatic.

For Rome on the other hand I still think Aggressive is a good trait as a +25% bonus raises the Praetorians strength from 8 to 10.

Combat 1 is only 10%. Combat 6 is 25%.

 

[Frostyboy]

What I mean is Combat I with Barracks leads you straight to 1) Cover +25% vs Archery troops, 2) Shock +25% vs Melee troops.

 

[obliterate]

What I mean is Combat I with Barracks leads you straight to 1) Cover +25% vs Archery troops, 2) Shock +25% vs Melee troops.

Sorry my mistake.

 

[Frostyboy]

No Worries mate

So I guess this thread is dead now . . .

 

[ShunNakamura]

Leader/Civ Combos from Hell!
Tokugawa of the Native Americans
Boudica of the Romans

Those are the two obvious ones to me.

I have been playing around and must say other ones are
Boudica of the Ethiopians
-Aggressive and charismatic Oromo Warriors are INSANE.
-Charismatic Plus Steele is pretty neat as well.

If there were a Creative/Charismatic leader they would just be completely awesome to put with the Ethiopians.

Darius, Willem, or Capac of Portugal is wicked fun to play on maps that have a lot of islands and ocean.


Anyways there are leaders that should show up a lot in this kind of list. Boudica, Darius, Hannibal, etc all have insane trait combos that many civs can utilize[Boudica actually being on the more limited of the three... since she is purely a warmonger].