Urgent! Help Me Save My Civ!!

[Rain]

Hehe. Go Big or stay home is my motto. Realizing i was out matched i dropped back to monarch. Went much better with 5000 score (French), then did GOTM 5 (2800ish) followed by a emp 5600 French. Now on an emperor game (Egypt) with 6526 current score with victory in sight Lol I actually hate babylonians as a rule but they are seldom in pathetic straits as you are and never so humble hehe.

 

[God]

What a story of survival!

 

[Franklyn]

Good luck on the file transfer, RIII. Sounds like the biggest threat to Free Babylon isn't the Persians but rather the evil and rapacious Microsoftians....

 

[JoseM]

richard III post the SAVE GAME here, i would like to play that one.

 

[Hamlet]

Persepolis Times - Final edition

Persia facing problems in conquered territories

Persia is facing large problems in it's conqeured Babylonian territories, from partisans, rebels and uncoperative Babylonian labourers, observers say.

Many Babylonian loyalists have taken to the hills to fight a desperate, and bloody independence struggle via guerilla tactics.

The Persian army is already facing stiff resistance, sources report, especially in more remote areas, where Persian forces are sppread thinly and something of an anarchistic atmosphere has taken hold.

Many refugees that fled from The doomed city of Babylon have been poring into other towns, but Persia fears that many may go into the hills or worse, pour over into Persia, causing a possible guerilla war on Persian turf.

High cost of rebuilding

Many Persian officials have openly expressed deep concerns that 'The Babylonian situation' may take decades to settle down, and for Babylonia to be properly absorbed into Persia as a functioning province.

That will take a large invetment in troops and resources to build up Babylonia's devestated economy and infrastructure, which many members of The Persian elite are not going to undertake easily.

It is widely known that many members of the Persian elite opposed the war from it's outset.

Terrorist acts

Persia's justification was that Babylon had been secretly planning to undermine Persia's international position and had commited terrorist acts to further this.

Under these circumstances, Persia undertook to pre-empt Babylon's apparently planned invasion. Reportedly, Babylon had been planning this action with a foreign power, although such statements are uncorroberated.

'Free Babylon'

When Babylon's chances of winning the war appeared to have been all but lost, many Babylonian troops, citizens and members of the elite fled via the sea.

These 'freedom fighters', as many in Babylon regard them as captured a minor Egyptian colony that was poorly defended. Although some regard them as 'deserters', public feeling in Babylonia appears to be overwhelmingly behind them.

Despite numerous Persian and foreign attempts to re-conquer the colony, Persia had to grudgingly conclude peace with this 'rebel force'.

Egyptian disgrace

Meanwhile, the incident caused international humilition for Egypt: 'We allowed a spent force of badly organsied, desperate people to not only take one of our colonies, but hold it.', as one Egyptian noble commented.

The incident has prompted a military review of the defence of Egypt's colonies.

Uncertain future

Meanwhile, although a peace has been concluded with the 'Free' Babylonians, trade embargoes and a minor occupation of the island colony continue, and many privately believe Persia or Egypt will attempt an attack in the near future.

'Free' Babylon's continued survival will most likely on it's ability to play on international dilpomacy and feeling, however, it's independance is far from certain.

 

[Richard III]

Originally posted by Franklyn
Good luck on the file transfer, RIII. Sounds like the biggest threat to Free Babylon isn't the Persians but rather the evil and rapacious Microsoftians....

WRITTEN FROM A DARK INTERNET CAFE ON QUEEN ST. WEST
- HOME OF THE "U of T Students for a Free Babylon Collective."
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Actually, the biggest threat was the bastard who tried to charge me $408.00 Canadian to install a phone jack in my new home office (all this chaos is necessary in part because I moved in with my girlfriend - the same one who took my copy of civ away but doesn't know I have a spare...). For all its faults, at least Microsoft charges its quoted price.

So, honorary babylonians - and persians - we should be up and running, internet capable and so on in a matter of a couple of days or a few hours, depending on a few remaining technicalities. But I wanted to write to say:

#1 - Hothead2, nice to see you're the kind of guy who picks the winning team! The kind of guy who watched the marines land in Grenada on the first day and said, "hey, I'm putting $20 on those Americans to win!" Good on you. I've got news for you: you're probably right, although I think it will be the egyptians who get me.

#2 - It actually had occurred to me to post the save game as a challenge to see who could do better with the sh*tty resources Bablyon has left (but only after the original timeline has been played out, of course).

Oddly - since you have yet to see a screenshot, even - that Persopolis times edition actually seems to describe the situation of a turn or two ago pretty well.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by Richard III
Oddly - since you have yet to see a screenshot, even - that Persopolis times edition actually seems to describe the situation of a turn or two ago pretty well.

The Persepolis Times has many good sources.

It is also commited to providing an independant and unbiased source of news on the situation, in case any of you were wondering.


I'm not sure whether it may be clamped on by The Persian Government. Is Persia a democracy?

 

[Franklyn]

RIII: The last thing you want to do is hack off the phone company. I hear they're silent but powerful allies of the Persians. The last thing you need is more enemies ...

Hamlet: I'm a journalist, and I'd say your story for the Times was actually pretty good. Next, you might want to get a front-line interview with a Babylonian freedom fighter or maybe some of the refugees.

 

[Dexter]

This story reminds me exactly of what happened to my India! Although i never found a small island to live on

Well Good-Luck!! Your gonna need it....

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by Franklyn
Hamlet: I'm a journalist, and I'd say your story for the Times was actually pretty good. Next, you might want to get a front-line interview with a Babylonian freedom fighter or maybe some of the refugees.

I was thinking something along those lines too.

 

[MrBiggBoy]

lol R3, you r a brave kind of guy!!!!! it takes guts to live... and to fight back against your evil oppressors.... lol....post save game!!! we want to fight the battle too!!!

 

[JoseM]

lol good report HAMLEt, i liked it, why dont u interview a refugee or a militia-rebel freedom fighter like franklin said? ... also MrBiggBoy is right, we all want to take part of the fight too, plz post the save game thanx

 

[Phoenix]

I hate it when I loose one city! Once I declared war on the Aztecs in Central America (I was the Germans- under the name of the European Union; it could happen), they captured one of my cities that I was complacent enough to defend with about 2 mech infantry and 1 mod armor. They burned the place to the ground (fools)! So I nuked there biggest city, luckily world opinion was against the Aztecs so I was OK.

 

[Strider]

I need help with my civ too. I prob can't make such a great story as richards, but I'll try my best....Here it goes:

I started out with 16 civs 4 contients and a group of islands. On my contient there was the greeks(me) russian and the aztecs. Everything was going fine among are selfs tell the aztecs(In first place with me right behind them)demanded tribrute to there great society. I refused and war started between us. It lasted for about 10 years then I managed to the the russians rallied to my cause and the aztecs was destroyed putting my into first place and russia in second. We lived happily together for about 30 years then we started finding other countries. we found the other 13 countries and were still in 1st and 2nd so of course we started demanding small amounts of tribute from them. Everything was going fine tell all of a sudden all 13 ****ries in a matter of 5 turns decalared war against me and russia. Of course we allied together and fought back. At first we were winning I took to jap cities and russia got a couple of german cities. After a while through those cities were taken and we were stuck defending are contient together. Of course (13 countries can build faster than two!)We started losing troops and they were coming faster than we could build. After most of my troops were destroyed abouut 8 countried offered me peace for nothing(a miracle!)I took it and soon the rest offered peace with me and russia. We started building up are milatary might again. After awhile England(#1 now) demanded tech from me I refused the world war happened again with me and russia allied against everyone else. We were beat down with my warriors and swordman making awesome wins against knights! Finally as my best cities came under attack(the one's guarding the capital) I managed to get a ton of boats by there blacade and taking advatage of the hole in it russia got all of there boats by. I had 16 galleons 2 full of setteler and the rest with knights. We attack on the other side of the map the lone country of babloyian. I took there capital and named it in respect of richards country "Free Babylon" We knocked babylon into a cornor of the contient and took over. Then they attack are new contient and took down about everything. Free babylon and 2 other cities are still alive and on the orginal contient my capital with it's defending cities are still left(which is about 3) russia was killed and I have no offense taking wave after wave of attacks against me. I'm barly hanging on, but now war weariness is starting to kick in and I'm losing defense units. My boats can't get through there blocades anymore and I'm the second to the last country in ranking.

Of course you would probley think I deserve it sense I was demanding tribute from them, but then I need the gold and it was only about 1 piece per 20 years(not much)And also between the aztec/world war thing I helped the japs fight back england and china when they tried to invade japan. And also I gave germany free iron, horses, and wine. I would think that japan and germany would have helped, but instead they attacked me!!!(I didn't even demand tribute from those two!!) They had no reason to really attack me, but they still did!!

 

[Mr Happy]

Sounds to me like the opressor has become the oppressed!

 

[Strider]

Well all I tried to do was to keep peace among everyone. Helping the weak countries and also help the japan sense they were outnumbered!

 

[Strider]

I was playing today and I managed to get a peace treaty going with one person. It's a start(not much of one), but It'll help.

 

[Richard III]

Okay, before I give you all a chance to do better than I did with a .zip, anyone have a clue why my efforts to take a screenshot aren't working? Jesus, my age is beginning to show, I can't handle this machine worth a damn.

Amongst other things, my dates were off. The Persians began to outflank my two border forts in 1575, which is the same year I arrived at Akwasasne Island. I took the island in 1600 or so.

Here's a taste of my progress so far, to give Hamlet something to work with:

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Note: Potential Spoilers for Future Free Babylon Players
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AD 1640-1645

Several embargoes against the rump Babylonian government end. Now under the emergency rule of a military monarch, finances are again coming into order, despite the huge payments sent out to the conquerers. Bouyed by the destruction of one of the world's more stabilizing cultures, a chaotic, all-against-all world war breaks out.

Most of this just seems like chaos to the refugees, but they are spectators in two great events: the first is the Battle of the Akwasasne Approaches, fought within sight of Free Bablyon. Aztec and French ships fight a furious battle to dominate the approaches, and the French eventually win - but too late to reinforce their occupation army, which is destroyed in a savage and costly battle by the Egyptian occupation force in the Battle of Horse Hill.

While the world war continues, Bablyonians and Iroqious alike work hard at rebuilding the town's docks and fishing fleet so that they can eat more than just grain and horsemeat. Driven mad by boredom, in 1655, the first real event other than sex and death in the Island's history: a riot, as a new generation of Babylonians expresses rage at the indignities of third-world life.

AD 1660 - The French Recognize the Government of Free Babylon

Babylon is humiliated after being forced to pay new reparations to Persia, including cash and a map of the refugee colony. But life gets interesting when, struggling against the combined might of Egypt, Mexica and Persia, the French surprise the Islanders with a plea for assistance. The offer: a mutual defence pact, with right of passage for both nations.

Babylonians debate the offer. On the one hand, it will mean an actual friend for the resistance, and an opportunity to play a role in world affairs, however small. But France is in mortal combat with Egypt, and Egypt still has a large navy that regularly patrols the coasts of Akwasasne, and worse - it still has a musket regiment stationed on the island. Babylon declines.

AD 1695 - Finlandization

A new generation of Islanders is feeling proud of their achievements. They have survived, and kept their culture intact. With that pride comes a willingness to stride tall. Egypt, recognizing that pride, comes to the burgeoning refugee civ with an offer: ally with the mighty Egyptian Empire against France. Little contribution can be offered, nor is it expected, but Egypt wants the moral support.

Remembering with rage the French shelling of the Free Babylon temple a hundred years before, the Babylonians join in, and declare war on France.

AD 1700 - Social Change?

Egypt is driven by the war to reform its social system by offering all of its citizens the vote. Babylon remains a kingdom.

AD 1725 - The Insult of Paris

Egypt signs a peace pact with France, but leaves Babylon out of the talks. An insult! Attempts to secure a separate peace with France fail.

AD 1745 - Invasion

A small French fleet arrives to punish the migrant nation. A regiment of conscripted infantry is ineffective, and swiftly forced into the jungle on the north of the island to live and fight on as savages. An attack by bowmen that reaches Babylon's walls is easily defeated.

AD 1756-62 - The World War Continues: on Our Doorstep

America is destroyed by Egypt in 1756. Alarmed by France's efforts to seize its former colony, Egypt and Persia decide to do in the French once and for all, and declare war once again. But is it too late? In 1760, several French infantry regiments land in the jungle, joining the loinclothed, moustached savages of the first landing. The combined French force attacks the EOF, which remains in its station on Horse Hill. In the ensuing Battle of Nations on the hill, the French invaders are cut to shreds, but at a price: the EOF is no more.

 

[God]

To get a screenshot click on PrintSCRN a key near F12.
Then click paste in Paint and then upload to civfanatics by using the attach file or the upload file.

Great story BTW. I like the names you've given for the different areas and such.

 

[Richard III]

More...

1772 - A Four Power World

Persia destroys Germany, establishing the hegemony of the EPA League, the alliance of Egypt, Mexica and Persia. France is a humbled state, barely able to survive. Babylon is, of course, not a power.

1786 - 1808 - The Tributary Era

Peace breaks out all over the world. But for Babylonians, peace means taxes. First the Egyptians, then the Aztecs demand tribute. Finally, the Persians sail 7 frigates and 2 ironclads by the Akwasasne Approaches. Some of the ships are the same hulls used to destroy the Babylonian Republic centuries before. Bablyonians are smart: they get the idea. And sure enough, in the next turn, the Persians walk up to the till and ask for their cut. We pay up.

1817 - FREEDOM!

Persia destroys France in a rapid offensive. The understrength division of the FOF on Akwasasne, left without pay, disbands. Its troops melt into the jungle to live like savages, as so many French units had done before.

1818 - Modernization of the Island Militia.

As always, the Island's defence force has consisted of With the construction of a barracks, the musket regiment is transformed with training and some quite foreign purchases into - wait for it - a RIFLE regiment. The troops beam with pride.

Where the Island's fields were once decimated by foraging occupation armies, they are now open, and widespread farming and road construction begins.

1832 - A New Era

For the first time in centuries, Babylonian taxes are redirected to fund pure research. Babylonians study the wonders of electricity.

1844-1860 - The Babylonian Kingdom, Episode III: A New Hope

Babylonian officials, in council with the King, offer The destruction of the French state has left several pockets of unorganized territory on the Brittany peninsula, to the south on the mainland's coast. With the Galleon "Refuge" still intact after all these years, Babylonians load up several thousand settlers

There are riots as the citizens leave: some are not happy at the risks of this voyage. The risk of war with Egypt. The risk of involvement in continental affairs. The risks of defending such a far flung territory. The loss of so many women from the gene pool. But the ship sails, and arrives safely. The settlers found "Fort Hammurabi" - named for the King - on a fertile patch of farmland nestled in on a tiny valley. In 1860, workers from Akwasasne are sent south to help develop the new city as quickly as possible, as it is now the highest priority of a pleasantly surprised and optomistic national government.