US to invade Venezuela?

[marshal zhukov]

Venezuela has been asking for it for years. lets just doctor up some evidence against them and invade already! the citizens are starting to pay attention to domestic issues again

(where the hell is your scared smilie?)

I am sure Brazil ( I sure hope we'll do) will aid the Venezuelan Insurgency in the case of an US invasion of Venezuelan, because I think that that invasion would be wrong.
I really doubt the US can handle two "Iraqs" at the same time.

 

[Irish Caesar]

Chavez refers to Pat Robertson as Bush's "spiritual advisor."

But seriously, folks...The USA isn't going to invade Venezuela. Although, it would have made a lot more sense than invading Iraq a couple of years ago. Not a good move, but still, it would have made more sense.

 

[ComradeDavo]

US hostility to Chavez predates the Iraq war.

Can you really imagine a Democratic president invading though? No. No you can't!

The Republicans went to war in Afghanistan in their 2001. Iraq was already being planned then, most likely. At any rate, no time for removing Chavez!

 

[The Last Conformist]

Unless I misremember, Democratic presidents have led America into more wars than Republican ones since the Civil War.

 

[ComradeDavo]

Unless I misremember, Democratic presidents have led America into more wars than Republican ones since the Civil War.

Chavev came into power in 1999, so my point that the Republicans have been to busy with other conflicts still stands.

 

[eyrei]

I think this is all just a political ploy by Chavez to kick Bush while he is down and can't do anything about it. He states pretty clearly that his problem isn't with Americans but with the current administration. There are so many reasons the US couldn't invade Venezuala, beginning with the fact that it is a democracy.

He also makes clear that there is a different world view than the Bush administration pursues, namely socialism.

All in all, I find it amusing, but also interesting that an elected leader of a foreign country is brave enough to say straight out what he thinks of Bush and Co.

 

[The Yankee]

US hostility to Chavez predates the Iraq war.

So what? Our hostility to Castro is over 40 years old. But we're pretty content to let him rot over there.

 

[Leonel]

Invading Venezuela would be a pretty bad idea. Mountains + Jungles = +200 Defense Advantage.

 

[farting bob]

They wont invade chavez. They have learnt for vietnam, iraq, iraq part 2: return of the bush. They kno they will be stuck there for years fighting insurgants and gureilla's, or have to pull out and admit they were wrong.
I hope chavez keeps on goading america, because its funny since for once bush doesnt seem to be able to bully the country into submission, and cant afford to invade them.

 

[brachy-pride]

It is funny indeed

 

[Elrohir]

Chavez is a nut. He screams about a US invasion every now and then, and he's been doing it for years. I really don't see it happening.

 

[BasketCase]

The mods need to warn Chavez for trolling.

He's acting the same way the Soviet Union's leaders were. Trumpeting himself as a champion of the poor and deriding "American imperialism".

Our air force isn't doing anything right now. Time for some airstrikes!
:f15:

 

[jameson]

Chavez is a nut. He screams about a US invasion every now and then, and he's been doing it for years. I really don't see it happening.

They could try to get rid of him by other means- for instance, the abortive 2002 coup which the USA conspicuously failed to condemn.

 

[SoCalian]

I think leonel has made the most valid point in this entire thread.

 

[Maniacal]

Hmm, us troops in a jungle? I predict high casualties. Remember that last time they fought in a jungle? (well, last I know about) Vietnam was a disaster.

 

[luiz]

I am sure Brazil ( I sure hope we'll do) will aid the Venezuelan Insurgency in the case of an US invasion of Venezuelan, because I think that that invasion would be wrong.

I hope we don't, and it's not like we can pose any threat to the americans outside of our territory anyway.

That said, Chávez is whining since day 1 about an imiment american invasion. He uses this sort of rhetoric to inflamate nationalistic feelings among the venezuelans and thus boost his authority. He disgusts me.

 

[luiz]

They could try to get rid of him by other means- for instance, the abortive 2002 coup which the USA conspicuously failed to condemn.

Why should they condemn a coup against a leader that claims that the US is the source of all evil in the world?
Only a hypocrite would want the american government to actually condemn a coup against Chávez. I for one supported that coup, too bad the leaders of the movement were incompetent.

 

[jameson]

Why should they condemn a coup against a leader that claims that the US is the source of all evil in the world?
Only a hypocrite would want the american government to actually condemn a coup against Chávez. I for one supported that coup, too bad the leaders of the movement were incompetent.

They should have because Chávez was still the democratically elected president of the country through free and fair elections (though it seems the fairness has deteriorated since then). One reason why all the other OAS states condemned it immediately was that regardless of their feelings for Chávez, the return of coups as a political tool in the Americas was quite rightly seen as a much larger threat.
The US cannot credibly claim to work for freedom and democracy in the world (like in Iraq for instance) if it supports the violent overthrow of whatever democratically elected government it doesn't like. *That* would be hypocritical.

 

[luiz]

They should have because Chávez was still the democratically elected president of the country through free and fair elections (though it seems the fairness has deteriorated since then). One reason why all the other OAS states condemned it immediately was that regardless of their feelings for Chávez, the return of coups as a political tool in the Americas was quite rightly seen as a much larger threat.
The US cannot credibly claim to work for freedom and democracy in the world (like in Iraq for instance) if it supports the violent overthrow of whatever democratically elected government it doesn't like. *That* would be hypocritical.

Just because someone has been democratically elected doesn't mean he has carte blanche to do whatever he wants.
The argument of the people who supported the coup was precisely that Chávez was systematically disregarding the venezuelan constitution. And that's true.

I see no need to oppose a coup against a once democratically tyrant.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Would not the cup be more unconstitutional?