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[Talkie_Toaster]

Thanks for the support on point one =] and I just made an attempt at point two, but maybe it hadn't loaded before you posted.

 

[Spearthrower]

1) You can't please all the people all of the time... and as Toaster said: It would be far better for a Scot to be called British than to be called English!

2) Agreed again on the 3 lions... it makes a lot of sense for their starting period too.

 

[Rhye]

aren't the 3 lions just English?

England = lions / st. George's cross
Scotland = St.Andrew's cross
Wales = dragon
Ireland = harp

innit?

 

[Talkie_Toaster]

It's on the royal coat of arms, and the queen is ruler of Britain look, anyway, since the Scottish lion is also red and yellow, I could no doubt fit it on

EDIT: alternatively, have a look through these, one might be suitable.

 

[Riker]

I am with the cylon

 

[Talkie_Toaster]

I am with the cylon

......what?

 

[Barak]

So based on this argument, should we change Spain to Iberia as the Spanish AI always settles lands that would become Portugal?

Historically, the English prior to the formation of the UK did strive to control all the territory of what is now known as the British Isles (and France for that matter during certain periods of its history).

I feel that leaving the civ as England, starting in London is not so bad. In warlords, I find that more often than not Inverness has been sacked by the Viking, and Ireland is controlled by the Celts. Perhaps make Inverness harder for the Vikings to sack, and NOT flip automatically to the English?

 

[Talkie_Toaster]

The point remains that though they strove to it, the Scots and welsh were in the way. to make it accurate you would need to either add Scotland, Wales and Ireland or rename England to Britain. To be honest I can't think why some people are making such strong arguments over changing a name and a flag, which would just make it feel more accurate. I always hate the way it's always English culture in countries that are united with England, but are basically not England. A simple change of name would remedy this.

 

[Barak]

True, but weren't their people in the way of Roman expansion? Chinese expansion? Were the Germanic peoples all under the same banner? Wasn't Spain originally 5 kingdoms?

 

[Talkie_Toaster]

Yes, but the noticeable difference is that those countries do not exist any more. The ones I'm discussing do. Obviously the most successful civs are the ones that lasted out. Also, I'm sure the English name causes offence to Non-England Britons.

 

[Barak]

Agreed. In a conception of RFC where we can change the names of civs to their modern counterparts (ie: Rome becomes Italia) this would make sense. Short of that I have no trouble keeping England as England.

Honestly I have the most fun playing as France or Viking and trying to conquer English lands!

 

[Talkie_Toaster]

Why not conquer British lands? Also, I like the idea of changing names, like in the evolution of civs thread. "The countries of the island of Britania have voted to join in union. Henceforth you are ruler of the United Kingdom of Great Britain!" You could have Scotland and Wales as Independants before then.

EDIT: Removed stupidity about Rome "renaming" itself Italia, when obviously this never happened, what with Rome collapsing and all. Sorry, I was just trying to think of good messages *ashamed*

 

[Rhye]

Italia isn't modern Rome. In game terms, it's an union of independent cities much after Rome collapsed

 

[Talkie_Toaster]

Have Rome respawn as Italia then (That was only an example of the sort of popups you could use ) "The cities of the former Roman empire have banded together to form a new civilization: Italia"?

 

[OzzyKP]

Yea, if Rome collapses, they could respawn later as Italy.

 

[Talkie_Toaster]

-Persia becomes or respawns as Iranshahr (Iranian Cultural Continent?) in 224AD(Look at when the Persians called themselves Iranian)
-Babylon becomes Al-Iraq in 600 AD
-Rome respawns as Italia in the 1860s
-Ottoman empire becomes Turkey in the 1920s
-Vikings change to Scandinavia in the 1600s
-England becomes Britain, and all cities in Scotland flip to it in 1707

Would these be doable?

 

[Riker]

Quote:
I am with the cylon
......what?

the toaster... It's not funny, I know...

 

[Phallus]

I've briefly skimmed this page and I was amazed to find someone had managed to construct an argument against calling the British Isles British.

Let's just slow down and think for a second.

Which existed in reality? The English Empire, or the British Empire?

 

[Tom Veil]

aren't the 3 lions just English?

England = lions / st. George's cross
Scotland = St.Andrew's cross
Wales = dragon
Ireland = harp

innit?

A harp-playing dragon attacking a cross-bearing lion would be totally sweet.

It's much better than the Standard of Queen Alexandra:

 

[Spearthrower]

So based on this argument, should we change Spain to Iberia as the Spanish AI always settles lands that would become Portugal?

Of course not - there was never a nation called "Iberia". There was, and is of course, a nation called Britain. Reflecting the unity of that would be more "politically correct".