Vadim Kozlov Revealed

[defiler]

Actually, one to go,

The third is fought by proxy i.e. bringing down manned icbm's a la malaysian airliner shoot down and state sponsored terrorism and other various conflicts currently going in the world.

I like to think we are currently under a Third World War, which in itself means that the rise in armed conflict is mainly between 'third world' countries.

One can think that the great mistake can count in one of those world wars, Russia is close enough to the affected area to probabilly been draged into conflit.
So zero to go.

 

[archmagej]

Its funny to me you said you thought this was a purity faction. The way I was reading it they like technology and therefore would be likely to be a supremacy faction.

 

[Lord Shadow]

There's no purity/supremacy/harmony biased factions.

 

[cuc]

A question for people who know Russian, what is the proper translation of this sentence?

Russian:
Не станем ли мы Иванами, не помнящими отца своего, без ученых мужей Франко-Иберии ?

Google:
Not whether we Iwanami, not mindful of his father, without pundits Franco Iberia ?

 

[Lord Shadow]

A user named Guardian G.I. provided a more accurate translation of Kozlov's speech on the Bay12 Forums.

Dear citizens of the Slavic Federation! Brave pioneers of outer space! Hard working colonists, geneticists, engineers, cyberneticians!

The last year we spent at home is over. In a few months, we'll leave our planet and go on a search of happiness for other peoples of Earth. For many years we tortured our planet, robbed her, depleted the natural resources of both the surface and the underground. How many plants and animals have disappeared from the face of the Earth forever? The Red Book is bigger than all volumes of the Great Soviet Encyclopedia combined, and it is entirely our fault.

Remember, how many people died when the last drop of gasoline was consumed by a car engine in the Russian Federation. It was also the last straw for the peoples of Eurasia, who regained their senses and created an alliance, which was later called the Slavic Federation. We have gone through a lot. Do you know at least one nation, who has experienced so many hardships? No! Who could survive three revolutions in one century? Who persevered through the flames of four World Wars? Who didn't go down with the rest of the world, when the sea level rose higher than stocks of fishing plants? Nobody but us, Slavs! Nobody.

We turn to the heritage of our Golden Age. The first satellite in orbit, the first man in space, the first extraterrestrial colony, the first flight beyond the Kuiper Belt. All our history is the eternal triumph of mind over stupidity, greed and anger. Ever since the first man timidly looked beyond our common cradle - since that time we was destined to move forward. And up!

A lot of difficulties await us. The planet, to which our expedition will be sent, is hardly even studied. What awaits us in our new home? It's not important! We are ready for anything. Our microbiologists shall vanquish the extraterrestrial viruses. Our ecologists will create marvellous colonies. Our astrophysics will subdue an alien planet and hand it over to mankind. And if other expeditions don't withstand the competition with the universe, we shall rescue them from death and give them shelter under a common roof.

However, the time of disputes has finally passed. We know the main strength of the Slavic Federation. Comparing to foreign counterparts, our space stations are a generation ahead, and our machines allow us to create incredibly precise equipment. But will we survive without the support of our planetary comrades? Will we forget our past without the historians of Franco-Iberia? Will we quail in the face of alien fauna without the hardened soldiers of Buenos Aires? Will we get bogged down in sin with the spiritual guidance of the Kavithan Protectorate? No, we will have to work together for the betterment of whole mankind.

 

[Liex]

That's a lot more clear!

Buenos Aires mention is quite intriguing. Is it part of Brasilia? Is the whole OSAS famous for its military? Or is it something else?

 

[Veras]

I'm a little bit disappointed with the Slavic Federation background and with the Kozlov's speech. While I'm totally ok with the obvious choice of a Russian dominance over the faction, I expected more than a neo-Soviet Union. The tone of the speech was very Soviet, based on Internationalism, space-pioneering and the exaltation of the heroism of the country in past destructive wars. I mean, there is little difference between a Kozlov proclaiming these words in the 23th Century Slavic Federation and a Gagarin proclaiming these words in the 1960's Soviet Union.
Besides, he mentions quite ramdomly a lot of things from Soviet times. The Great Soviet Encyclopedia has turned into the Great Russian Encyclopedia in 2002. Why not mention the Russian? Also, if SF still nostalgic over the "Golden Age" of the Soviet times (which is too short even in today's perspective) 200 years from now, we can only assume that they have not seen good times very often. Anyways, what I mean is that this speech seems too focused on a past from OUR perspective, not a future one. I understant that the Soviet times are still influent on today's Russia, but I can't see this level of influence surviving for two more centuries. The Soviet Union lasted for less than a lifetime, for God's sake.

Kozlov, by the way, is identical to Gagarin, which is cool. Didn't liked its clothes very much, though. I kinda expected he to use a general uniform, with a large Russian cap. Cliche, I know, but seems coller to me than this diving suit.

 

[GenyaArikado]

I dont think its nostalgia, or at least not at this point. I think the point was that they had already done space thing and succeeded so they could do it again (and they did indeed) His speech nakes me think that the Slavs problems after the big mistake were more social than natural caused tbh.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Per usual, this faction has a dualistic appearance. On the one hand, they come off as a progressive, forward-looking space pioneering faction. On the other hand, there are hints of Soviet propagandist type thinking, lionizing their previous achievements. Like the others they can be either a protagonist on an antagonist.

 

[gyrobot]

I'm a little bit disappointed with the Slavic Federation background and with the Kozlov's speech. While I'm totally ok with the obvious choice of a Russian dominance over the faction, I expected more than a neo-Soviet Union. The tone of the speech was very Soviet, based on Internationalism, space-pioneering and the exaltation of the heroism of the country in past destructive wars. I mean, there is little difference between a Kozlov proclaiming these words in the 23th Century Slavic Federation and a Gagarin proclaiming these words in the 1960's Soviet Union.
Besides, he mentions quite ramdomly a lot of things from Soviet times. The Great Soviet Encyclopedia has turned into the Great Russian Encyclopedia in 2002. Why not mention the Russian? Also, if SF still nostalgic over the "Golden Age" of the Soviet times (which is too short even in today's perspective) 200 years from now, we can only assume that they have not seen good times very often. Anyways, what I mean is that this speech seems too focused on a past from OUR perspective, not a future one. I understant that the Soviet times are still influent on today's Russia, but I can't see this level of influence surviving for two more centuries. The Soviet Union lasted for less than a lifetime, for God's sake.

Kozlov, by the way, is identical to Gagarin, which is cool. Didn't liked its clothes very much, though. I kinda expected he to use a general uniform, with a large Russian cap. Cliche, I know, but seems coller to me than this diving suit.

"Those who want the Soviet Union gone has no heart, those who want the Soviet Union back has no brain"

 

[Martinus]

I just find it a bit odd and uncomfortable that his speech (and the faction's feel) makes such a big deal out of the Soviet nostalgia - sure, as someone else said, it still exists today, but I thought Firaxis would at least show some sensitivity around this topic. Soviet Union may have been the only nation other than the US to participate in the space race (which eventually bankrupted it) but that was also the time of oppression, gulags and various attrocities.

Nazi Germany was also very scientifically advanced - yet would we feel comfortable with a futuristic German faction leader exulting the scientific developments of the Third Reich?

 

[Martinus]

Per usual, this faction has a dualistic appearance. On the one hand, they come off as a progressive, forward-looking space pioneering faction. On the other hand, there are hints of Soviet propagandist type thinking, lionizing their previous achievements. Like the others they can be either a protagonist on an antagonist.

I guess you are right.

By the way, if there ever was the Supremacy victory/affinity shoe-in, it's these guys (along with, possibly, PAC).

 

[Josephias]

Just thinking... Anyone else gets that these "soliders of Buenos Aires", besides giving us a hint of Brazilia's extension, are also a nod to Starship Troopers?


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[Krik_IDDQD]

The Great Soviet Encyclopedia has turned into the Great Russian Encyclopedia in 2002. Why not mention the Russian?

In Russian, the Great Soviet Encyclopedia (on par with "War and Peace") is synomym of something big and vast. Nobody cares about the Great Russian Encyclopedia.

but that was also the time of oppression, gulags and various attrocities

Lol, again. MUH GULAG! MUH REPRESSIONS! MILLIONS OF PEOPLE SHOTS BY STALIN PERSONALLY!!!

 

[Vasire]

Beautiful speech! And written in Russian originally, it seems, which is nice. Once again, thanks to Firaxis for sidestepping stereotypes.

 

[3of5]

I really like it, as its modelled around technology and cooperation. But this gets colored slightly by his empahsis on slavic virtues. In my head i would have imagined him to be above such things as petty nationalism. I guess every one has his own faults after all.

But effectively he places third in my ranking of most likable faction (Barre, Sochua, Kozlow, Elodie), and thats not bad for a faction that sports a de facto nationalistic name.

 

[Scamps]

A question for people who know Russian, what is the proper translation of this sentence?

Russian:
Не станем ли мы Иванами, не помнящими отца своего, без ученых мужей Франко-Иберии ?

Google:
Not whether we Iwanami, not mindful of his father, without pundits Franco Iberia ?

Can be translated like "Will we forget our roots without scholars of Franco-Iberia?"

The phrase itself feels awkward to me. An old russian saying about Ivan, who does not remember his relatives, feels out of place. Or maybe Kozlov is just trolling Franco-Iberia.



Also, the ending is left out in OP. Feel free to google translate or follow the link in OP.

Меня когда-то сравнивали с Юрием Гагариным, пионером космонавтики. С изрядной долей смущения, но я вынужден признать правомочность этого сравнения. И не только потому, что я такой же простой парень из рабочей семьи, грезивший о звездах, о пыльных тропинках далеких планет. Что тогда, что сейчас мы стоим на пороге значительных перемен. Тогда мы впервые шагнули за пределы Земли. Теперь мы уходим навсегда.

В этот печальный и торжественный миг начала первого года новой эры я хочу поздравить всех вас с Новым, 2210-м, годом!

Поехали!

 

[Scamps]

From the sound of it, triumvirate power blocs still have function within the Slavic Federation. Why else would the text highlight Kozlov combines all three functions in one person?

"The state, scientific and military leader of the Slavic Federation" is wrong translation. "An important figure in state, science and military matters" would be correct.

 

[winddysphere]

Guess what I just found guys:

http://translate.google.com/transla...+beyond+earth&sa=X&biw=1920&bih=979&tbs=qdr:d


Vadim Kozlov....

Is it just me that think he is an older version of Central Officer Bradford in XCOM (Oh , and Carter from the Bureau too)?
He looks similar to him...and less Russian. He is like more friendly than I thought (I thought that Firaxis will make full throttle militaristic with Brasilia.).
Nice info you find. And now all 8 leaders revealed. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah!

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Is it just me that think he is an older version of Central Officer Bradford in XCOM (Oh , and Carter from the Bureau too)?
He looks similar to him...and less Russian. He is like more friendly than I thought (I thought that Firaxis will make full throttle militaristic with Brasilia.).
Nice info you find. And now all 8 leaders revealed. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah!

I don't get the Bradford resemblance and never played the Bureau, but it's pretty obvious that he's modeled after Gagarin. He doesn't look particularly Russian and could pass for any Slav. He even looks a bit like my dad (a Bosnian Serb) on older pictures. My only complaint is that Kozlov is too tan. Maybe he spends a lot time in the Balkans.