VB2-Mayan Melee

[andvruss]

IBT: Austrian MDI kills our MDI on the mountain, -2hp.
Tikal knight-knight
Build up the Palace

760: Vet MDI flawlessly kills 2 hp MDI on the mountain
Vet AC kills reg pike, -3hp
Vet AC kills pike, -2hp
4 hp AC kills archer, -2hp, p[romotes to elite and we capture Weiz
Science to 90%, metallurgy due in 5 at -16gpt
Vet MDI kills sword on mountain, -3hp
Vet MDI kills MDI on mountain, -3hp
Vet knight kills MDI on mounatin, -3hp

I make peace with the Austrians. They wont give us any cities, so I take 14 gold, 5gpt and Breclev from them. They were going to counterattack a weakened stack next IBT, and we dont have too many units there.

IBT: Chitzen knight-knight
Piedras aqueduct-court

770: move units

IBT: Lazapa rax-court
Lisbon completes Knights Templar

780: Same

IBT: Palenque lib-colosseum
Bonamk treb-treb

790: More units move to the Austrian front (even thought we aren't at war right now...).

IBT: Copan knight-knight

800: Samez

IBT: We learn Metallurgy-MT
SoZ it now obsolete
Chichen knight-knight
Lose a galley in treacherous waters

810: Ask Austria toleave and they do

IBT: Amsterdam musket-court
Utrecht knight-court

820: Disband some units

IBT: Hitties start Sistines

830: More economic reforms

IBT: Tikal knight-knight

840: stuff

IBT: Chichen knight-cathedral
Mayapan aqueduct-court

850: same

Ahhh I accidently hit space. Sorry, next player starts at 860. Nothing happened IBT


We are generating 2gpt, and MT is due in 2. Units are fortified near Austrian towns in our borders

 

[andvruss]

Save

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Roster Check

1-vbraun - MIA - please check into your own game.
2-Bugs
3-Andvruss - Just Played
4-Ville - Up
5-Oddible - On Deck

 

[Ville]

Got it. I'm a bit busy with school ATM but I try to play soon

 

[Ville]

860 AD (1)
Moving troops to north
Playing with workers

870 AD (2)
BORING!

IBT
MT researched>PP (6 turns) (slider to 60%)

880 AD (3)
Moving troops…

IBT
Lagartero: Marketplace>Harbor

890 AD (4)
Moving workers

900 AD (5)
Damn this is boring

910 AD (6)
It wouldn’t make any difference if I didn’t write this…

920 AD (7)
Why am I doing this anyway?

IBT
Yay, action: Amsterdam: Courthouse>Harbor
Palenque: Colosseum>Cathedral

930 AD (8)
Moving troops and stuff

IBT
PP Researched>Education (9 turns) (+102 gpt) (Slider 30%)
Chichen Itza: Cathedral>Sistine Chapel

940 AD (9)
Moving troops…

950 AD (10)
That must have been the most boring set of turns in my life

Save (Have fun)

 

[Sir Bugsy]

OK everyone, remember that we need to get Ville some more excitement during his turns. Next andvruss, please arrange to be at war with everyone

Oddible gets his first turn in this game.

1-vbraun - MIA and assuming he's going to stay that way.
2-Bugs - On Deck
3-Andvruss
4-Ville - Just Played
5-Oddible - Up

 

[andvruss]

Just a note: BYzantine has education. HOwever, educatiion will obsolete ToA. So I guess we should research (rather than trade for??) education, and also have temple prebuilds available.

 

[Oddible]

Getting Education doesn't really cause a problem unless a war is immanent. Since it seems unlikely that we are going to be at war, we can probably afford to take our time and research rather than trade for it I guess. On the other hand, since we seem to have a breather, maybe better to just get it over with, build all our temples and gear up for the next conflict. I'd rather not fall behind just to postpone having to deal with the loss of the ToA, and would like to be ready, having all temples built, before the next conflict.

Won't be able to post my 'Got it' until I get home and get it...

BTW, we probably don't want to wait too long to push Austria off our continent right?

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Sounds like a plan. Just prepare for a lot of unhappiness when the people lose their temples.

Owning the western half of Austria is our next goal. If we haven't started the FP yet, we should do so up towards Austria

 

[Oddible]

Got it.

 

[Oddible]

The Save

Initial thoughts
ToA destruction eminant. Plan to build up treasury and buy as many temples as possible in 8 turns when Education comes on board. We're a little soft in the middle but no one can reach us so no worries. Border is fortified. I'm concerned about our tech though we seem to have a commanding lead in Military Tradition.

Pre
Continue prepping for the temple construction.
Bonampak->Aqueduct

IBT
Portugese are building Copernicus Observatory

960AD - 1
Worker Shuffle

IBT
Renew Peace with Austria for free, cheapskates, don't they know what peace with the Maya is worth. They will...

970AD - 2
Worker Shuffle

IBT
We cross through Incan territorial waters and they ask us to leave.
Byzantium offers us Education for Printing and 170. I pass. She's willing to pay 120 and 11gpt for PP tho.

I pass for now.
Byzantines finish Copernicus Observatory.

980AD - 3
Worker Shuffle


IBT
Utrecht: Courthouse->Prebuild
Arnhem: Courthouse->Aqueduct
Largartero: Courthouse->Prebuild

990AD - 4
Worker Shuffle

IBT
Amsterdam: Harbor->Prebuild

Hittites build Sistine Chapel!

1000AD - 5
Troubling. We have 2 turns left on Education. Everyone else switches to Bach's. We don't have Music. Or Astronomy. Cuz we don't have Education. I have 1014 in the treasury twas saving for temples. Chichen Itza is only 6 turns into Sistine but its 119 shields, 24 turns left. We're huge and there seems to be a tech balance. We have Metalurgy and Printing, they have Education and Music. Most of them it would seem.

I trade Education to the Inca (lowest score) for Chemistry and 14g.
I take a chance and give away Metallurgy and 70 to the Portugese for Music, Banking and Astronomy. We still have Military Tradition over Portugal. Curious if they will trade Metalurgy to the Byzantines for PP?

Chichen Itza->Bach's
Research Economics

We have no temples.
That's a lot of clicking.

Bump up lux and we'll party in the streets until these are built. 30/30 +18
Buy courthouse in Lagartero.
Buy temple in Lazapa.

The millenium has been crossed.


IBT
Palenque: Courthouse->Bank in 14
Tikal: Cavalry->Bank in 15
Quirigua: Temple->Courthouse in 16
Lagartero: Courthouse->Temple in 8
Lazapa: Temple->Aqueduct in 9

1010AD - 6

Luxury back to 20%

As feared, the Portugese traded Metalurgy for Printing (or they coincidentally researched them respectively on the same turn). Should have given them PP. Drat.

IBT
Copan: Cavalry->Courthouse

1020AD - 7
Worker Shuffle
Buy temple in Lagartero

IBT
Bonampak: Aqueduct->Library
Lagartero: Temple->Bank

1030AD - 8
RoP with the Portugese
Buy temple in Landeck


IBT
Landeck: Temple->Barracks

1040AD - 9
Buy barracks in Landeck

IBT

1050AD - 10
Worker Shuffle

Parting thoughts
Landeck is prepped for a Forbidden Palace with a temple and a required barracks on the border. It is close enough to Austria to cover Salzburg and several others when built. Also has fresh water. Just my suggestion. Could be built anywhere, including in the bulb farther down our continent.

Was pushing for Smith's with Economics. 10 or 11 to go. Whether Bach's or Smith's in Chichen Itza is a better bet is open. We could get a second city pre-building another wonder as well - Magellan's or would settle for Newton's.

We have some serious corruption problems and need courthouses almost as much as we need temples.

Thanks all, was a domestically eventful first round. Got to drive through the wonder nerf and some tech trading. Since our namesake has drawn the bye, looks like I leave this in the good hands of Sir Bugsy...

 

[Sir Bugsy]

I've got it, but I won't get to this until Friday.

Looking for direction from the team. We haven't had a long term strategy discussion in a while.

Military goals? Research goals? Wonder goals?

I'm thinking research towards Mil Trad. and go for cavs. Then war with Austria so we can own our own rock.

 

[Oddible]

We already have Military Tradition. If we can get our core province in order (those cities in the 10 tile vicinity of the palace) we should be able to take Austria as soon as the 20 turn peace wears off (or perhaps earlier if you don't care about our reputation). Unless we get some libraries, courthouses and especially banks built, all our massive territory is going to be for naught. Right now our size is not working for us.

Diplomatically it would be great to help maintain a balance on the other continent. I.E. Don't let Byzantium or Portugal crush the little guys - give away resources to the little guys in order to prevent the two super powers over there from getting too big.

On the other hand, there is little worry that our precious continent will ever be threatened as the AI is pathetic at seaborn advances. One strategy would be to strike one of the little guys on the other continent to get a foothold.

My 2 additional cents...

BTW, since one of the original reasons listed in starting this SG was exploring Conquests, are there any C3C specific things on the horizon?

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Pre-flight – 11 turns left on the Austrian peace treaty. I’ll be setting up the next player for a blitz.

We are kicking butt in science. The Austrians haven’t met anyone. Might be able to get something for that.

Lack of temples are hurting. Somehow I think that Temple of Artemis is more trouble than it is worth. Rush a few temples.

We also need to get some courthouses and an FP. can’t seen to get any city to build the FP. That is too weird.

IBT – Landeck: Barracks=>Court
Cuello: temple=> court
Tulum: market=> court

1. 1060 AD – Select the FP in Copan. We can then jump the Palace up north with a leader.
IBT – Amsterdam: Musket=>Library

2. 1070 AD – Portugal has Navigation. Contact with the Austrians won’t last long. First I trade Navigation for Mil Trad with Portugal. Then I sell contact around get everyone’s WM and about 60G. All the money that the world had is now ours. I still haven’t sold our map so it is worth a bunch.

IBT – Kami-town: Temple=> court
Piedras: temple=> court

3. 1080 AD -

IBT – Yax: temple=>Bank
Arnhem: Temple=> duct
Xcalum: Temple=> court

4. 1090 AD – Without temples, we have some very unhappy people. And some very corrupt cities. Bump lux to 30% to see if we can get everyone a little happier.

IBT – Utrecht: Temple=> Library
Calakmul: Temple=> Market
Lazapa: Duct=> Harbor

5. 1100 AD – Workers work.

IBT – Austria has several galleys off our east coast
Uax-town: Temple=>court

6. 1110 AD – Spend about 300G upgrading 10 knights to cav. If Chucky is looking for a fight we’ll be ready.

7. 1120 AD – Ready for war.
8. 1130 AD – Still ready

IBT - Economics comes in. Physics in 15.
Palenque: Bank=> University
Wiener: Barracks=>Temple

9. 1140 AD – Upgrade a horse for 150G.
Shift pre-build over to Smith’s.
Sell Economics to Portugal for 39gpt, 158G & WM
Sell it to Byzantines for 31gpt, 125G & WM
Everyone else is far behind in tech, and is broke.
Bump slider to 50% to get Physics in 9 turns. We’ll let the world finance our research

IBT – Bruck riots Messed that up. I’ve got to get the smiley face mod.
Kabah: Temple=> Court

10. 1150 AD - Upgrade the last horse for 150G.

After Action Report: Next player is set to attack Austria next turn when the peace treaty expires. There are 7 AC, 14 cav, and an elite knight in Landeck. I would use this as the fast moving attack and hit the north.

The is a slow moving force of three cannon and 13 Med Infs outside of Villach. That could attack south. And I just now realized we have a city in southern Austria that is completely undefended. Breclev will need something to defend it. So maybe to or three turns from now. I just started a force of three cavs headed across to defend it. The cavs can get almost across before Chucky forces you to remove or declare, and then they should jump over.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Save: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/VB2,_1150_AD.SAV

 

[andvruss]

Got it. Sorry for the delay, just realized I was up.

 

[andvruss]

Uggh, stupid case studies . I should be able to certainly take it tomorrow. If someone wants it, go ahead, or I will play tomorrow.

 

[andvruss]

Preturn: Hm...dont see why we are running 30% lux? . No wars, almost everyone happy..... luxes to 10, hire a couple clowns. Science to 80%, Physiccs due in 5 with -16gpt.

IBT: Austrians ask we leave
Amsterdam lib-colosseum
Copan riots, oops sorry I missed that one

1160: Hm, luxes back to 20%. My bad there. Physics due in 4 with -59gpt

IBT: Austria demands we leave. I oblige and our cavs teleport to Brelcev
Arhem aqudeuct-harbor
Quiriga court-market
Byzantines start Shakes. I guess we are not as ahead as we thought . I knew they had demo though....

1170: Trade horses to Mursilius for WM, 3 gold and spices. Dont want the Byzantines to get too much of a hold on their contienent.
He turns to polite. Fire almost all enetertainers and luxes down to 10%. Science to 70. Physics due in 3 at +28 gpt. Byzantines have 2 techs up on us .

IBT: Copan FP-colosseum

1180: Next turn I will attack. I want to leave some action for Ville so I wont do my normal blitzkrieg, and will go slow .

IBT: Lazapa harbor-market
Portugal start Shakes as well

1190: I start action against Austria
Slow stack heads south into Austrian territory
Elite AC against 3 hp sword and......oops, I didn't delcare war yet Now I am going to have to wait until next turn,as I dont want to ruin our rep. Oh well, more war-mongering turns for Ville

IBT: Austria demands we leave. our troops move automatically, good.
We discovery Physics-ToG
Hitties start Bachs
Emrita of the Portugese completes Bachs
Byzantines switch to Smiths

1200: Honorably declare war on the Autrians now .
Elite knight redlines fortified reg sword, but dies
Elite AC kills reg sword, -3hp
Vet AC kills reg sword, -3hp
Vet AC kills vet archer, -1hp
Vet AC dies to 1 hp sword
Vet AC kills 2 hp sword, -2hp
Vet cav dies to elite sword on hill, -3hp
Vet cav flawlessly defeats 2 hp sword
Vet cav kills reg sword, -1hp
Vet cav kills MDi on hill, -1hp, and promotes to elite
Vet cav kills MDI, -1hp and promotes to elite

Iron, furs and physics to Portugak for demo, 41gpt, 40 gold and WM
Physics and furs to the Byzantines to FA, WM and 60 gold
Chitchen Itzca was 3 turns away from Bachs....switch it to Shakes at the loss of 90 shields. I was goining to build Bachs in Tikal, and switch Chichen to Smiths, but The Byzantines are building Smiths in Czco, which cant be pushing more than 5 spt

IBT: Wow. I greatly underestimated Austrain strength. wWe lose 4 cavs, 2 AC, and a MDI compared to there around 7 MDIs. I need to pull out our fast units to heal.
Cihchen Itzca Shakes-bank

1210: Reg MDI kills 1 hp horse
Pull fast units out. Horrendous call on my part.

Whew, 1.5 hourse and Im barely half done! I didnt realized warmongering took so long . Will complete and post tomorrow morning.

 

[andvruss]

IBT: Lose 4 MDI to there 1 horse and 2 MDI. Our stack is getting slaughtered due to the lack of defensive units in it.
WW hits almost all our cities, at 25%

1220: MDI barely kills elite horse, promotes to elite
Vet MDI flawlessly kills 2 hp MDI
Vet MDI loses without inflicting any harm on a 2hp MDI
Vet MDI kills 3 hp MDI, -2hp
Vet MDI kills 1 hp pike
Vet cav kills pike, -2hp, and promotes to elite
Vet cav dies to pike, redlines
Vet cav kills pike

IBT: I cant keep up on all the battles. They lose 3 MDI and a horse, and we get a leader, but we lsoe it,as we got it from a defending cav, and it was killed. We lose 2 cavs, and they lose 4 MDI and a horse
Villach musket-musket
Ek-Barket temple-court

1230: WW is at 40% now. Luxes to 30%. We have a couple of cathedrals and colosseums, so many cities rioted.
Ugh, this is ugly. We weren't ready for war, and got slaughtered.
Retreat to heal.

IBT: Lose 2 MDI, a musket and an AC. They lose 3 MDI

1240: Vet MDI kills 2 hp pike
4 hp elite MDI flawlessly kill 2 hp pike
2 hp MDI kills 2 hp pike, promotes to elite and we capture Graz!
3 hp cav kills 2 hp LB, -1hp

IBT: They lose 2 MDI, we lose 1 MDI and 1 musket

1250:Heal

ToG due in 1 at +153 gpt
We captured Graz, but I dont think we can do much more. I had no good defensive units to help protect, and they threw hordes of pikes and MDIs at us
Luxes at 30, and WW down a percentage or two due to the capture of Graz.

Save

 

[Ville]

Can you post a screenshot from frontier