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ViSa Strategy Guide

Discussion in 'Civ4 - ViSa Modpack' started by TAfirehawk, Jan 2, 2007.

  1. Spearthrower

    Spearthrower Thrower of spears

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    It depends on how you do your Diplomatic Victory - if you use "backdoor diplomacy" i.e. have an extremely large population so that you can vote yourself in, then Diplomacy is the easiest victory.

    On higher levels, Spaceship is nearly impossible unless, ironically, you are in a position to do one of the more aggressive victories.

    If you play Culturally without using the culture slider, it is a very interesting game for sure.

    Personally, most of the time I don't play to win - I play to play! :D I tend to win however the dice fall (if I get involved in lots of wars then I go Dom/Conq... if I have good science cities then I will go for Spaceship etc) .... and if it looks like an AI will win, then my game becomes one of stopping them.

    Personally, I just like to play for special situations: In my first ViSa game here, I have a city with 130 food..... I am now trying to grow it all the way up to its max population - that's my idea of fun! :D

    I actually like the religious victory, I just wish there was a video for it.

    Finally, once Total Mastery is included, I'll always have that as the only victory available.
     
  2. WhimpyCiv

    WhimpyCiv Chieftain

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    Well, I know that the one I like LEAST is the Space Race victory, although it's how I usually end up winning. I'm usually in the middle of preparing for another type of victory (e.g. Conquest) and all of a sudden somebody looks like they're going to make the spaceship and I have to hurry up and beat them to it.

    I like Domination best because ... well, because it's FUN. Also Conquest, though that's a little harder. I prefer the idea of keeping them alive so that they can worship my awesome grandeur. :lol:

    Diplomatic, I usually can't win that way unless I get enough people and vassal states to force a vote through. I've not actively tried the Religious victory yet, but it looks like it could be interesting. Same with Cultural. Time is kinda the 'default' victory, I can usually win that way almost every time.

    -- WC
     
  3. miserable09

    miserable09 Chieftain

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    This might be more of a general civ question, but, I'm using visa, so, I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask here.

    I'm playing on prince level, I'm firmly in 3rd place score-wise. India, the Civ in 1st is around 3-4 techs ahead of me at all times. Alexander of Greece is in 2nd place, though I'm more advanced then him...

    It's the 1700s, so, it's that period where technologies are starting to make the difference between having a destroyer, vs a caravel.

    Just wondering if anyone had any good tips for what to do when down like this?
    Is it possible to come back and catch up?
     
  4. White Elk

    White Elk 99 > 1

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    The Tech Leak will help you catch up a little. Not sure if you have to
    have open borders. And you can capture opponent cities for techs.
     
  5. blipadouzi

    blipadouzi Chieftain

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    Be absolutely certain to be the first to build the Internet project...you'll steal all of India's & Greece's techs.
     
  6. WhimpyCiv

    WhimpyCiv Chieftain

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    I concur. And as one other person said, conquering cities gives the conqueror some tech points toward one of the defeated civ's techs. That won't work against Greece unless they have techs that you need.

    That's a problem, to be sure. If they have more advanced techs, they probably have more advanced weapons. Tactics change. Play the barbarian at the gates of Rome: take LOTS of units. LOTS. Keep some in reserve for when your first wave spends itself, then move those in quickly and keep attacking.

    I've had some luck NOT using the infamous Stack of Doom but attacking in smaller stacks spread out around the perimiter of the city. That forces the defender to split his attacks so that not as many units are damaged at the same time. If you destroy the roads outside the city, not only can it be cut off from quick reinforcements AND the resources to build, but slow-moving units won't be able to get back inside the city if they win a combat against a single unit. That leaves them outside and injured - possibly easy pickin'.

    That only works sometimes, though. Not really enough to rely on as a regular tactic. What you've got to do is take them down with overwhelming numbers. Waves of overwhelming numbers, attacking from enough different directions that bombard attacks only affect a smaller number of your units. Barbarians at the gate and all that.

    My play lately has been on Noble level, so things may be different on Prince, I don't know.

    -- WC
     
  7. miserable09

    miserable09 Chieftain

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    Again, maybe a general question, but I have Visa installed so figured it made sense to ask here.

    I have not built the UN, but, am getting prompted to vote on several issues. One of them passed Pacifism as the global civic and now my budget is getting hammered.

    Is their anyway to raise a resolution of my own so I can counter this?
     
  8. blipadouzi

    blipadouzi Chieftain

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    From the sound of it one of your competitors built the UN before you did...what you have to do now is wait until the next Secretary General elections and hope that you win.

    Once that is done, you will have the ability to choose which resolutions you want voted on.
     
  9. Stalin5

    Stalin5 Chieftain

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    I'm a early-mid game builder and late game warmonger. I just go for all the techs that either give a boon to research and commercial ones so I can bribe people in to wars to keep them distacted and to put more money into scientific research. In the begining, I try to found Buddhism and then avoid founding other religions cause it messes up my late game tech-whore strategy with secularlism. I never have open borders except when necessary to aquire a resource and then only with the police state civic to prevent tech-leak. By the time I've discovered all he techs that have any moderatley imporatant effect whatsoever, I just mass huge numbers of nukes, tanks, sattelites, and stealth bombers and crush my enemies who have late 1800's are units.
     
  10. WhimpyCiv

    WhimpyCiv Chieftain

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    Is there a way to cancel previous resolutions? I haven't noticed that being an option ... meaning, if Pacifism was voted in as a universal civic, is there a way to cancel that without making another universal civic?

    -- WC
     
  11. chipper_30

    chipper_30 Chieftain

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    I beleive if the same resolution is voted again, and this time not passed, then it is canceled. In your example, have another vote for Pacifism and if NO wins, I think there will be free choice for everyone.
    I haven't tested though so I might be wrong.
     
  12. Shattered

    Shattered Lord of Utopia

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    no your right on that.. i repealed a no nukes resolution with that tactic ;)
     
  13. Uncle Anton

    Uncle Anton Lighthorseman

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    Hey guys

    I'm a ViSa noob, so I'm still trying to get to grips with modern era doctrine.

    What kind of units in what ratios do you guys have in your stacks? Obviously a medic is essential, and plenty of guns, so Arty is a must. But considering a transport hauls 5 units, what kind of stacks do you guys deploy as an invading force?

    Eg, Transport fits 5... so 1 SAM, 1 Arty, 1 Medic, 1 Inf, 1 Armour?

    Or do you guys mix it up? (Support type units such as SAM, Med and Arty in one or two transports, with any other "lift" units crammed with combat fodder?)
     
  14. Kaiser Franz

    Kaiser Franz ViSa Team & War Monger

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    Try a couple of Military Freighters - they haul 10 units - a total of 20 units is a fairly formidable force to take a beachhead -- the fact that no refueling is required for your helicoper force makes it easy to hang off shore with a few choppers loaded with IFV's or Marines.

    For an Invasion Force, I do the following -- 2 Battleships, 4 Destroyers, 1 Carrier with 3 Jets, 1 Sub with 10 Cruise Missles, 2 Military Freighters and 2 Transports -- I usually attack with no less than 10 Howitzers - 2 Advances Mobil Sam's - 1 Medic in the flotila on a transport - 8 Sturmgeschutz (tanks for those not playing as Austria ) Mobile Infantry - Bazooka - and whoever else is available make up the rest of the landing force.

    The above assumes I'm out of Bomber range and have to soften up the AI without my Air Force. If that isn't the case then everything changes and I pound them as hard as I can with the airforce while moving the land forces into position -- still with Artillery being the largest single component of my attacking force -- Howitzers, to me, are the esential ellement of all my attacks - and protecting them is vital. I love to pound a city and then send in one lone Infantry Unit to accept their surrender :) -- Immediately reenforcing that unit is wise though - or the AI will just take it right back.

    Oh - by the way - I usually don't consider any unit as "combat fodder" though -- I've seen a heavily injured common Infantry Unit belonging to the AI defend against my Advanced APC - with my combat odds showing about 98% - and I still lost the APC -- Although it doesn't take long to build APC's, getting them into position where they can do some good is hard at times -- so -- no -- I do my best to loose no one -- I'm Greedy that way :)
     
  15. Uncle Anton

    Uncle Anton Lighthorseman

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    Good advice. Thanks. :)
     
  16. TAfirehawk

    TAfirehawk WoC Team Manager

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    Nobody has any more strategy advice???
     
  17. Uncle Anton

    Uncle Anton Lighthorseman

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    Unfortunately, shortly after Kaiser posted, I was deprived of my machine, so I haven't had a chance to road-test yet... I'm gonna try a 3-1 mix with Fighters to Fighter-Bomber promo'd air units when I get back... if anything I try falls either side of mediocre I'll post it. :)
     
  18. WhimpyCiv

    WhimpyCiv Chieftain

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    After getting to the point where Noble was too easy, I decided to try a Prince game. WOW, the difference is incredible. After trying well over a dozen starts and getting totally bogged down, I finally played a Prince game where I'm winning (on points, at least) after 1AD. It's not over yet, so I can't claim victory yet, but it's looking pretty good. Here's some details; anyone, please feel free to make comments or suggestions for future play (either different games or the future of this one).

    1. Egyptian civilization, Ramses II leader. I chose this for a few reasons. First, the Spiritual and Industrial trait combo will (a) eliminate anarchy when changing Civics, which saves time, and (b) let me crank out wonders. Second, the UU's are pretty good and EARLY. My main complaint with them is that they are too dependent on Horses. Fortunately, I had Horses right next to my capitol so that wasn't a problem. If I had to play without those wonderful beasts of burden, I think I'd have a serious problem. BTW, my opposing civs are the Chinese, Iriquois, Romans, Tibet, and Magyar

    2. Small map, Pangea, Extended game play, No Barbs. Small map because my computer doesn't have enough RAM to handle anything bigger. Pangea because the one Prince game I played before this that started out reasonably well ended up with me eliminating the only other civ on my continent and then not being able to get to Optics before the rest of world was discovering gunpowder. And the Extended game play (not really sure what it's really called, just the game a little bit longer than Normal) gives me a bit of a chance to use some of the units before the opposing civs find new ones. No barbs because it's easier that way and I'm just starting Prince.

    3. Techs. First aim was Archery then Bronze Working, chop trees and figure out where the second city will be built. After that, I went for Horseback Riding and then War Art. I might have been better going for War Art first, but I figured that getting Stables from Horseback Riding would help get stronger War Chariots. After that was Iron Working to find the Iron, then Pottery, then Priesthood (to build the Oracle and get Metal Working free).

    4. Units. I start out with a Warrior, so he goes wandering off to find the other civs. I build a Warrior right off to protect the Homeland, then some barracks. By the time the barracks are done, I have researched Archery and can build the Egyptian Archer. I build two of those and a Settler, since my Bronze Working research has revealed some Bronze not so far away from my capitol. I have time to build a Hypaspist or two before I finish Horseback Riding and can start on the Stables, then crank out some Imhotep Horse Archers and War Chariots.

    I do not build any workers yet. I have my warrior steal a worker from the civ that will be my primary target first off, the Tibetan empire. I choose them because they are the closest and, from past experience, likely to be the weakest early on. China is to the west of me and everybody else is to the east; they're next, since if I eliminate them then I have only one border to defend (at least until naval power becomes an issue).

    5. City tiles. I got lucky, the capitol had two gold tiles. These gave me shields and gold. I wasn't aiming on having a fast-growing capitol; grow too big too fast and bad things happen (IME). So, keep it small, but lotsa shields coming in meant that I could build things faster and lotsa gold coming in meant that my research was going along at a decent pace. After I captured that Tibetan worker, I had him develop and then hook up the gold first thing, even before the bronze. I'm not sure if that was the best choice, but it didn't affect me too negatively in any case.

    6. Game progression. As I mentioned earlier, my first targets were the Tibetans. I went in with a few Hypaspists and an Egyptian Archer or two, they didn't even put up a decent struggle. Eliminated them with no trouble at all. I got another worker out of the deal.

    Then for the Chinese, I loaded up three Imhotep Horse Archers, three War Chariots, and a few Hypaspists and Egyptian Archers, and took China by storm. I had to stop and regroup once or twice, then China actually declared war on me which gave me a few moments of despair before I wiped them from the face of the Earth. Not bad. Two civs down, three remaining.

    Then the Romans attacked. Fortunately, they were only able to come at me from one direction, through Lhasa. They were being led by Augustus Caesar who, while not the worst general in Civ, is far from having the strategic instincts of Julius. I was (barely) able to weather the attacks and get some walls up around the city. Finally, I turned the tide, pillaged some of his countryside (including his iron mine), and got some peace.

    Meanwhile the Magyar had inexplicably declared war and sent in one lone unit which I destroyed. I retaliated by taking two of their cities. The Iriquois attacked before the Magyar had surrendered, drawing off a large portion of my forces since they were several hundred points ahead of me and had that damned Iriquois Scalper or whatever you call it. By the grace of whatever gods may be, I was able to fend them off long enough to declare peace with the Magyar and turn all of my forces to successfully beating them off.

    7. Current Status. The capitol of Egypt, Thebes, is a production powerhouse; it can turn out a new War Chariot in two turns. It's gotten several of the Wonders, including the Oracle, the Parthenon and the Roman Roads. I also have Stonehenge in Beijing, having stolen that from the Chinese.

    So at this point I am a few hundred points AHEAD of the top AI player, the Iriquois, though I suspect that I'm behind in tech. Their capitol city is ahead of my capitol in culture, but I've got #2, #3 and #4 neatly sewn up. Money is a problem, though I've just gotten Currency and so Markets are being built as we speak. I never bothered founding a religion, I just stole the city where Buddhism was founded and built the shrine there when I got a chance.

    So ... any suggestions on how to maintain this precarious lead, or what I might have done better? It's the best I've done on Prince so far. I know that this level may seem pretty basic to most here, but c'mon, help a guy out here! :-D

    (Note that I'm at work and my computer is at home, so a few of the details may be a bit fuzzy -- but it's accurate as far as I can remember.)

    -- WC
     
  19. Agramon

    Agramon Chieftain

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    I like to play Sumerians on pangaea and marathon with raging barbs. The vulture is quite kick ass early city killer. I build one or two warriors and send them scouting the vicinity. After Researching tools, set research to 0 and get money for upgrades. In the mean time I should have picked up two or three city raider promotions (hardly ever with one unit). Then I go for the nearest neighbor, because the cities drain your economy soon. After upgrading switch research to pottery! Pottery gives granary: more growth > more people > more money. (And a useful build besides units and barrack that doesnt drain your economy). And almost forgot you can build cottages ;-).

    Pottery is a must unless you conquer a religion. Then you can also go Meditation, priesthood. Useful buildings monastery and missionary to spread. Temple for happiness and a GProphet for economy. Combine with Stonhenge, since you should have enough production to kill.

    Creative and organized come in handy. You can use the fat cross of the other Capitals soon. Organized reduces upkeep.

    I usually capture 4 cities on noble and start spamming wonders, while slowly expanding by conquest and settling in space. Only take the best locations and cottage spam a lot. There are some nogo's (or even better go first) in the beginning which can only be taken with battering ram support as soon as they have archery. Persia, Pakistan and Protective nations.

    Note that Immortals of the Persians are rendered almost useless for conquest since spearman their contemporary counter is default defensive unit. Same goes for War Chariots (My bit of suggestion to whimpyciv ;-)
     

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