Vote for Sid Meier's Civilization I and II (MGE & Test of Time) to be added to GoG

[Knightfall]

I vote against because then civilization 1 abadon ware would become illegal/pulled from websites.

The best things in life are free.

Every person on the planet should be able to try out civilization 1 and see what a great game it is !

If tastes like more buy the bigger versions !

I do support a re-make of civilization 1 though, in 2D with fancy distance field rendering technology for crystal clear up scaling ! =D

I also think they already earned enough from civilization 1 to 6 versions out there, stop being greedy ! =D

I don't mean to be pedanitc, but I'm pretty sure that abandonware is always illegal.

 

[Skybuck]

I don't mean to be pedanitc, but I'm pretty sure that abandonware is always illegal.

That's up to a judge to decide, if it ever goes to court, must be somebody there to go to court, plus have a good story where it can be purchased legally, otherwise what is the point ?

It's probably something like copieing a house/architecture from 2000 years ago ?! Very unlikely that any family members can defend that copyright lol... maybe the state lol... but maybe they don't have the right anyway ! LOL. Plus copyrights expire anyway... civ1 is old, but not yet that old !

 

[Knightfall]

That's up to a judge to decide, if it ever goes to court, must be somebody there to go to court, plus have a good story where it can be purchased legally, otherwise what is the point ?

It's probably something like copieing a house/architecture from 2000 years ago ?! Very unlikely that any family members can defend that copyright lol... maybe the state lol... but maybe they don't have the right anyway ! LOL. Plus copyrights expire anyway... civ1 is old, but not yet that old !

Still, I feel that opposing a possible official re-release just to keep an abandonware version up is not a good idea.

 

[Blake00]

Agreed, plus legalities of abandonware sites (who's links are not permitted on CFC so our stance is clear) aside, the bigger point that pops into my head is that total people using abandonware sites versus total people using digital stores like Steam and GoG to buy old games is not even a close comparison. Probably because the common gamer doesn't knows about warez sites or avoids out of fear of viruses, spam and dodgyness (whether that be right or wrong). Either way.. Civ1&2 communities are pretty quiet these days and that's due to both time since being for sale in the 90s and current availability.

So sacrificing availability to the masses to please the few who use those sites is just not right. Getting the games back out there into stores injects new & returning players back into the communities again helping this place! THAT is the reason I'm doing this, I don't need the games in stores for myself, I already have them, so I'm doing this to right a wrong and help the community I care about regrow. And for those that can't see past their own preferences (and I've had plenty of those comments across social media sadly) a larger community means more mods, more scenarios, more fun discussions which then increases your enjoyment too. So in the end everybody wins... you just have to see the bigger picture.

Plus I wouldn't worry... because most of those abandonware sites are soooo legal and conscious about breaking laws (that was sarcasm) they've still got plenty of old games for download that are being sold in stores these days (eg you can still find Sid Meier's Colonization and Master of Magic on nearly every abandonware site these days despite them being rescued from exile and put on Steam and GoG) because the license holders did not go after them (because of the above point about the stores vs warez user totals not being comparable and big enough to warrant a threat). This reason this thread exists is because 2K don't care enough to re-release the games, so I think it's safe to say that even if someone like GoG or Firaxis or someone else successfully pushes 2K to release these games they are not going to care enough to go chase after abandonware sites hosting Civ1&2 meaning nothing will change for warez site users but everything will change for every one else.
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[Knightfall]

Agreed, plus legalities of abandonware sites (who's links are not permitted on CFC so our stance is clear) aside, the bigger point that pops into my head is that total people using abandonware sites versus total people using digital stores like steam and GoG to buy old games is not even a close comparison. Probably because the common gamer doesn't knows about warez sites or avoids out of fear of viruses, spam and dodgyness (whether that be right or wrong). Either way.. Civ1&2 communities are pretty quiet these days and that's due to both time since being for sale in the 90s and current availability.

So sacrificing availability to the masses to please the few who use those sites is just not right. Getting the games back out there into stores injects new & returning players back into the communities again helping this place! THAT is the reason I'm doing this, I don't need the games in stores for myself, I already have them, so I'm doing this to right a wrong and help the community I care about regrow. And for those that can't see past their own preferences (and I've had plenty of those comments across social media sadly) a larger community means more mods, more scenarios, more fun discussions which then increases your enjoyment too. So in the end everybody wins... you just have to see the bigger picture.

Plus I wouldn't worry... because most of those abandonware sites are soooo legal and conscious about breaking laws (that was sarcasm) they've still got plenty of old games for download that are being sold in stores these days (eg you can find Sid Meier's Colonization and Master of Magic on nearly every abandonware site still these days despite them being rescued from exile and put on steam and gog) because the license holders did not go after them (because of the above point about the stores vx warez user totals not being comparable and big enough to warrant a threat). This reason this thread exists is because 2K don't care enough to re-release the games, so I think it's safe to say that even if someone like GoG or Firaxis or someone else successfully pushes 2K to release these games they are not going to care enough to go chase after abandonware sites hosting Civ1&2.

Plus official availability is important for historic preservation reasons. CIV I and II are landmark titles since they basically invented the 4X genre along with Master of Orion, so it's important they they're officially available rather than only being available from warez sites.