Cromagnus
Deity
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You think different forum will have people that are drastically different from people on this forum?
Both of them back stabbing you simultanesouly probably means one of them bought the other one to declare on you, or Venice payed them both, or they came to an agreement to DoW, or some mix of the above. Which means that you haven't managed your diplomacy too well. If you payed Hiawatha (who is easy to bribe) to DoW Willy, things might have gone your way. I tend to sponsor few wars early on in my games and it really sets me back most of the time, cause they usually want a lot. Still, it's better to have NC @ t.120 than end up with 3x DoW. Sometimes it's hard to part with cash.
Little things like that can cost a game, or set back heavily.
Personally, i feel that deity has become a LOT easier, specifically, after vanilla BNW release. In G&K they all launched into space around t.260, or even earlier. After introduction of science % penalty, all sorts of cultural/religious stuff you find yourself well set for any kind of victory well after t.300. (watch deity youtube) That's, like emperor, pre BNW.. Not that i am complaining, just a fact. AI now perform "stunts" like full piety + 3 in honor = hard to lose to that..
You can still start fine. Don't go DoW'ing a CS + completely destroy a whole civ before turn 70 and you'll be OK.
It's only because Venice was OCC that it happened. Everyone else was my Friend, and they weren't friends with Venice, who I had denounced. He didn't pay them off, because he was entirely gone by then or this wouldn't have happened anyway. I thought being friends with people and denouncing was supposed to be enough to reduce the warmonger hit. I'm just frustrated that apparently, *taking someone's last city is no longer a viable option*... I wish they would have just said that in the patch notes. Prior to the patch I did it all the time and only suffered denouncements. Now I consistently get chain-DoW'd. Even if it's the only city I've ever taken. I find that *excessive* and *unbalanced*.
With the new rules, if you take someone's only city, you're an instant pariah. You have to understand though, I didn't know for sure it was Venice's only city. I hadn't explored the whole continent. And I went straight for his capital because in my last game as Assyria I got chain-DoW'd for taking Shoshone's last city, his capital, after his other cities. (Because they were in the way)
So I went straight for the most exposed capital this time, hoping it would result in a less harsh result. No. Same result. Admittedly, it was because I nuked his only city. But, the bottom line is, I had Friends who backstabbed me purely because I took one city.
I DID try bribing them to DoW each other, and neither would go for it, despite me having well over 500g. Despite them not being friends with him, and being friends with me. And it all happened immediately, which is exactly how my last few games have gone:
turn X: Cap AI's only city
Turn X+1: everyone denounces
Turn X+2: everyone DoWS (including "Friends")
This happens to me *every time* now.
Yes, I can still start fine, yes, I can still win (and almost did despite having to fight a war against the rest of the world)... I'm just angry that early warmongering is so nerfed. It's like "yes you can take a city, but don't do this, and don't do that, and especially don't do this, and only if you're friends with everyone else, and only if they've denounced him too, and only if it's a frickin' blue moon".... you know what I mean? They're making it virtually impossible to *benefit* from early warmongering, which, as I keep saying, *devalues* the civs with early UUs.
That's alright, I'm going to solve this the only reasonable way: I'm going full Honor with Shaka and DoWing *everyone* I meet. Because screw it, that's why.