warmonger increase when friends/allies

[criZp]

Civ 6 got the variables WARMONGER_REDUCTION_IF_AT_WAR and WARMONGER_REDUCTION_IF_DENOUNCED back in the spring patch, but why is there no such thing as WARMONGER_INCREASE_IF_FRIENDS and WARMONGER_INCREASE_IF_ALLIED ?

I mean, this is really fundamental stuff, no? Should be easy to implement, too. Maybe we can spam the livestream chat tonight? (well I can't because I don't have a twitch profile...)

 

[Stringer1313]

I agree this should be a thing. There are currently not enough incentives to be friends or allies (I recognize this will change soon with R&F but there should be this common sense fix as well).

 

[bbbt]

I'm guessing because those were implemented to help deal with complaints about warmongering penalties being too high, so they probably didn't see a need to increase warmongering penalties. It would make sense game-wise (especially if they further reduced/increased the relevant modifiers). Isn't there a leader who basically has that as part of his agenda (hates people who declare war on his friends/allies)? Gilgamesh maybe?

 

[Victoria]

The if at war and if denounced variables mean that if I go to war with civ A and civ B has denounced them and civ C it at war with the same enemy then they do get as large a warmonger view of me.
Why would allies and friends think worse of me just because I declared a just war on one of their enemies?
Friends and allies of someone I declare war on get negative diplomacy against me which makes more sense to me.

 

[criZp]

Why would allies and friends think worse of me just because I declared a just war on one of their enemies?

allies and friends of those you attack, obviously

 

[Victoria]

allies and friends of those you attack, obviously

So there is already a -8 diplomacy for them, The value was added because people complained, how could someone attacking the same foe as you think you are as much a warmonger as anyone else. The denounced thing I think is quite good, denouncing needs such things.
I think it’s fine, I can see how there is maybe a touch of hypocricy in there but it works for me.
Warmongering is a pretty pointless value anyway and it looks like it is not fixed with R&F

 

[criZp]

So there is already a -8 diplomacy for them

dude that's not the point... a guy should be more irritated that someone's attacking his ally, than some random other guy.