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That logic is good enough for me!
We will pay for the missing/removed Age in the future?
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canadamufc
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Firaxis/2k sold their Founders and Deluxe editions without the playerbase knowing the content of the DLC passes, so I'm not sure the point you're trying to make.
Of course they should reveal what's in these DLC at some point, but advertising it before the release of the actual game leaves a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth and is a prime example of aggressive monetization.
This is misinterpreting my point. Can you point to me where I said that the developers should not be working on future content? No, all I pointed out was that they should not be advertising and marketing their DLC content before release. I never told the developers to NOT work on future content, not sure where you got that from!
StargazingDog
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Firaxis announcing and detailing the contents of the first DLC pack prior to release is precisely what led me to purchase the founder's edition. This is the opposite of predatory. This is allowing an informed decision.
Predatory is something like Starfield. Bethesda sold a Starfield Deluxe edition that included a future DLC pack. They gave, quite literally, no indication of what the DLC would entail or when it would be released. It was nine months later before a release "window" was given, and still no details. People paid $30 for this! $30 based on zero information on a DLC that would release a year later. That is predatory.
Predatory is something like Starfield. Bethesda sold a Starfield Deluxe edition that included a future DLC pack. They gave, quite literally, no indication of what the DLC would entail or when it would be released. It was nine months later before a release "window" was given, and still no details. People paid $30 for this! $30 based on zero information on a DLC that would release a year later. That is predatory.
Sid Mier should be ashamed of what this franchise has become. I am not saying it's a bad game (well now it is) and it's about to become pay to get a better game. Bare bone pre-alpha, after a month or so you get early access game as an updated game, and then you have to pay for a full game through DLCs.
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Capitalism is killing the gaming industry
It's a weird double-edged sword. NOT announcing what the content is feels super predatory, you're asking me to shell out 30$ or 60$ sight unseen about what the packs might even contain. But at the same time, showing off the content is like "We have this almost ready, but we want you to pay more just because."
Leyrann
Deity
Ok bro.
You're not saying that except even you can't refute that you are saying it.
Have you never heard of (free) patches?
Guess you've never seen a pre-alpha product in your life. I get that it sounds nice to use the term to hate on something though.
If this is pre-early access then the final game is going to be so addictive it needs an 18+ rating and so much fun it's going to cause a noticeable drop in worldwide fertility rates.
Source: a place where the sun doesn't shine.
Add "capitalism" to your argument for instant success!
Obligatory reminder that blaming capitalism for everything makes you sound just as smart as blaming woke for everything does.
That... doesn't make it a double-edged sword? Announcing and showing are not the same thing.
I agree that actually showing content is arguably a bit weird (although I can easily imagine the art department being ahead of another department and thus the leader model being ready a month before some other stuff is ready), but in theory you can already announce it when it's only an idea on a whiteboard.
? are you sure now? like really !
The shattered space was an Expansion not at Civkind done which was withheld content already made and held back as a DLC a couple weeks after release .
Starfield was relased in Sept and the Expansion was made known to any and all prior to that in June , and released the follow year
Not sure how or why that is "predatory", many games companies offer the next Expansion at a discount , the clue is in the word Expansion , it offered a totally different expansion on the game mechanics , new environments, new quests , new weapons , new planets .
The founders edition offers more of the same He haw that is different - and they have already made it , it's cut and waiting for rubes to buy it THAT is predatory
canadamufc
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That’s not even true and here is what you and a A LOT of other people in this thread are forgetting:
2k/Firaxis SOLD this Founders Edition without informing the player of what it is about. It was on pre-order for maybe 6 months or so before they revealed that it would be Carthage, Great Britain, etc etc. Did they reveal it? Yes, but not before it was available for MONTHS before the reveal. And you have until February 28 to upgrade it to Founders (but you don’t know what civs are in Right to Rule, have fun buying things you don’t know or get hit with FOMO!)
Look me in the face and tell me it isn’t predatory.
Actually, we do know what is in Right to Rule, thanks to leaks. https://forums.civfanatics.com/thre...s-additional-information-on-dlc.694454/page-3
Meh, neither of them were particularly good business practices. But, between the two, Firaxis handled it better.
canadamufc
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Right, but I’m sure that wasn’t intended.
StargazingDog
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Schrödinger’s announcement. Simultaneously did and did not happen.
The fact is that Firaxis did announce the content of the DLC prior to release date. It was posted on their website and on the store sites. There was also a livestream. This all happened January 30, a full week prior to launch day.
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canadamufc
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Ok, now tell me when they put the Founders Edition up for sale, and believe me, it's a lot earlier than January 30th. And when they revoke the option to upgrade to Founders (without even knowing what's in Right to Rule without unintentional leaks) on February 28, then come back and tell me it's not predatory and an exploitation on players.
That's not my point.
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They put Civ7 up for sale before they announced all of the contents as well. (I think it may have been sold before the number of civs was released… and definitely before the number of leaders was released)
canadamufc
Prince
I disagree with pre-ordering on principle, but in fairness it is a standard practice in video games these days. It should be reserved for when you have absolute faith in developers to produce a good, quality game (although I still hate it and will never do it, but by now it is so widespread this is pretty much a lost cause. Case in point, what you said.). Pre-Ordering DLC before the base game is even released and you don't even know the contents of what's in the DLC is almost unheard of though and is absolutely ridiculous.
According to that roadmap you do know what you are getting in terms of content. Maybe not the specifics on which civs or leaders, but it's expected that you would know that more civs and leaders are coming.
It's a similar thing that happened with Smash Ultimate Fighter's Pass years ago and, as far as I know, there were zero complaints.
One thing I find it odd that is rarely mentioned, is what the developers themselves said during a livestream (albeit I forgot which one exactly), the DLCs coming out are not cut content, calling them so is not entirely fair, as these were developed later, after the base game was more or less fully in place. Part of the reason for them pushing of Great Britain to be developed later like this, is that being developed after the basegame is more or less entirely in place, allows the developers to have a much deeper understanding of what the mechanics are like, and where they can really experiment with new Civs, they pointed out specifically Great Britain had historically been a really difficult Civ to get right in earlier games, so this game they decided to post pone it to give them more options to create something unique, same with Carthage that they heavily implied would have very unique mechanics like Vatican in Civ 5. I'd also like to point out while they did tease very briefly some footage of the first DLC, it was clearly not entirely finished what they showed, and they only showed a couple of things from the first half of the first DLC, so, it feels very unfair to me to call it cut content, yes they're getting it out quickly, but it's not like they could have released it in February with the game itself. You might call them liars when they say it wasn't cut content and they developed it later, but even if you don't trust them at their word, I don't see much real evidence that it is cut content.
(Of course I'm paraphrasing, I don't remember exactly what they said, been a while since the livestream, so will make clear I don't pretend to be quoting them)
(Of course I'm paraphrasing, I don't remember exactly what they said, been a while since the livestream, so will make clear I don't pretend to be quoting them)
canadamufc
Prince
Difference is that they didn't put SSBU Fighters Pass for sale before the game released did they. At least you can gain trust in the developers, that's why I would say the NFP was less bad in this regard. They produced (imo) two quality expansions in Rise and Fall and Gathering Storm and gained the trust of the playerbase. Here they are asking for you to put trust in them and shell out lots of extra money on the basis of a good game that's not even been released. It's scummy and exploitation of their playerbase.
And I have yet to see a single argument for why they set the cut off date for upgrading until Feb 28.
And I have yet to see a single argument for why they set the cut off date for upgrading until Feb 28.
Leyrann
Deity
Why does the trust Firaxis built up with Civ VI - or V, IV, III, II and I - not count for Civ VII?
gdr_willter
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You can separately purchase the Right to Rule Collection without the Founders Edition later, so it will not be cut off at the date.
So the true limited contents of the Founders Edition with the cut off date is the Founders Content Pack, which includes 2 Leader Personas and some decorations. It's already available for the customers of FE. And it is meant to be the reward for who contributed to the foundation of Civ 7 at the beginning of its sale. So it is reasonable to limit its cut off date.
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