welsh or british please?

[Osymandias]

man, it seems you really can't accept that also non-british people are able to invent something.
also, what would power your transmition of the pictures? looks that your english inventors aren't the real ones, cause the person who discovered electricity invented television, the phone, the jet-engine, and so on and so forth.

 

[brianshapiro]

yes, alexander gramm bell was scottish, but i think its important that he settled and obtained a patent in the US. a lot of scientists and inventors from europe did their major research and inventions in the US, which contributes to the amount of items claimed as US technology or science. one thing is the enterprise system in the US, but i don't think it is completely about commericalism, the UK had a strong commercial system. there is an element of practicality to US enterprise. which is why a lot of modern technology had prototypes elsewhere but came to fruition in the US.

 

[MooManof_]

I think the original arguement was saying that the telephone and the TV were invented by Scotsmen, regardless of what country they were in, regardless of where they filed the patents, and regardless of where they went next. They were still Scotsmen.

No country invented these items... that is effectively impossible. But people did, and only people truly have nationalities. The Telephone, the Television, the Computer, the Jet-Engine, the Steam Engine, could all be classed accurately as Human inventions. In fact the whole concept of Nationality is just yet another invention to satisfy the Human Race.

 

[pontypool]

man, it seems you really can't accept that also non-british people are able to invent something.
also, what would power your transmition of the pictures? looks that your english inventors aren't the real ones, cause the person who discovered electricity invented television, the phone, the jet-engine, and so on and so forth.

Michael faraday of britan invented the first electrical generator

 

[napoleonbee]

It's amazing that in this day and age people are still frothing at the mouth with rabid nationalism and blatant ignorance for every other culture, including blindly labelling every citizen of a nation that's not theirs "ignorant" of the great achievements of their motherland. Give me a break. It's ignorant in and of itself to label another society as ignorant, in case you haven't uncovered that irony yet. I agree with the sentiment that people make inventions, not nations. If entire nations were responsible for an invention like insulin or the telephone then I suppose we wouldn't have the negative stereotypes that the people of these nations are always drunk/obese/don't care for other cultures/stupid/own ten rifles/care too much about the World Cup, etc.

To answer your question, I'm positive you could find a Welsh civilization in the modding forum. (Like this: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=144328 .)

 

[brianshapiro]

It's amazing that in this day and age people are still frothing at the mouth with rabid nationalism and blatant ignorance for every other culture, including blindly labelling every citizen of a nation that's not theirs "ignorant" of the great achievements of their motherland. Give me a break. It's ignorant in and of itself to label another society as ignorant, in case you haven't uncovered that irony yet. I agree with the sentiment that people make inventions, not nations. If entire nations were responsible for an invention like insulin or the telephone then I suppose we wouldn't have the negative stereotypes that the people of these nations are always drunk/obese/don't care for other cultures/stupid/own ten rifles/care too much about the World Cup, etc.

To answer your question, I'm positive you could find a Welsh civilization in the modding forum. (Like this: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=144328 .)

well there are at times of history certain nations or cities or areas that are cultural centers in different ways; which i think is important. i dont think it necessarily means that the creativity of people from other areas were not involved, or that one place is better than the other

 

[pontypool]

I discovered that alreaddy, but the download is broke.

 

[MooManof_]

Why not just make one?

 

[StarWorms]

yes, alexander gramm bell was scottish, but i think its important that he settled and obtained a patent in the US. a lot of scientists and inventors from europe did their major research and inventions in the US, which contributes to the amount of items claimed as US technology or science. one thing is the enterprise system in the US, but i don't think it is completely about commericalism, the UK had a strong commercial system. there is an element of practicality to US enterprise. which is why a lot of modern technology had prototypes elsewhere but came to fruition in the US.

There's no doubt that living in the USA helped him to develop his idea but it's all down to the nationality of the inventor not the nation where the invention was made.

 

[Xanikk999]

Why does it even matter what nationality he was? Does it fuel your jingositc ego?

 

[Willowmound]

rucksack [...] are all german inventions. get over it.

Nonsense, the rucksack is Norwegian. ('Rucksack' from the Norwegian word ryggsekk, lit. 'back-sack'.)

 

[Osymandias]

Nonsense, the rucksack is Norwegian. ('Rucksack' from the Norwegian word ryggsekk, lit. 'back-sack'.)

really? wow, haven't known that.
but as said, this statement was meant more jokingly than serious. inventions haven't nationalities. the people have, but that doesn't mean that the invention has it either. you can't say "it's a german invention", correct would be "it's an invention by a german".
and also in the time of the 19th and early 20th century many inventions were done by a lot of people at the same time. some haven't never met and one off them gots the whole glory, some others met and "came up with new ideas".
the steam enigne was done by a french and "just" advanced by watt. but if we go further back, a greek in the pre-medieval times has done a propeller-like steamed thing, not seeing which potential it has to replace human muscles.

Michael faraday of britan invented the first electrical generator

but for that you have to know what electricity is and how it works. thanks to volta and ampere we know.

 

[Aneurism]

Say what you will about Bell being Scottish, but Banting was born in Canada and Best was born in the USA, so in no way can the discovery of insulin be construed as 'Scottish'.

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1923/banting-bio.html

http://www.museevirtuel.ca/Exhibitions/Medicentre/en/best_print.htm

As to what country anyone came from it doesnt really matter. As a Canadian I've always heard that Bell was Canadian and didnt even know he was born in Scottland, I guess each country tries to claim inventors as their own... it would seem that Scotts (primarily), Canadians, and Americans have some sort of 'claim' to him. If you want to take pride in an invention, invent something yourself

 

[Aneurism]

Why all the importance on where someone is born, maybe it should be where they die that counts... after all dying is just as relevant

 

[Older than Dirt]

Can you call youself Welsh if you can't speak the tongue? Or Scottish if you can't play hopscotch? English isn't even a real language. It's just a mishmash of a handful with a Germanic structure. Actually, here in Texas it's more like mushmouthmash.

 

[MooManof_]

If a plane crashes right on the border of 5 different countries, where should the survivors be buried?

 

[moggydave]

^^^^^^^^^^^ Hit it right on the head.

 

[CF4L]

since this has obviusly become a who invented what thread ill just say this alot of "modern day" inventions are actualy rediscovered old ones. a couple examples would be the Odometer,Sewers,Running water,Hot Water(for bathing)Steam engine,vending machine ,Triangle teethed gears,the computer

 

[kristopherb]

Éire is the Irish name and Ireland the English. I think.

ireland calls the english "redcoats"as an insult its not
i cant see the irish uu kill redcaots(on that note what can)

 

[kristopherb]

Michael faraday of britan invented the first electrical generator

scotish invented
us navy
the tire
ect