[GS] What are peoples impressions and opinions on the resource-upkeep for late game units?

[Archon_Wing]

I mean, there's usually not even 2 niter or oil on the whole landmass most of the time.

And you needed 2. 1 was for upgrading and that was dumb but the problem was always the cheap cost of upgrades. Now that upgrades are more expensive, that worked towards fixing the actual problem.

 

[kaspergm]

I really like the resource consumption of the early units. I like that you can no longer rush Iron Working and insta-upgrade a handful of warriors to swordsmen and crush your neighbor. Same for horses.

I kind of get the point with per-turn upkeep of oil on units, and actually oil seems to be rather plentiful on most maps - and it gives a great encouragement for coastal cities, which is a big plus - so I think that part works fine, minus Infantry requiring oil. A per-turn oil upkeep for plains seems much more reasonable.

I do think in general that each resource stack yields too few resources per turn. I don't mind the aspect of fighting over resources, but when you have a huge empire with only 1 Uranium slot, that doesn't leave you a whole lot of room to power your cities. Or maybe it's because power requirements for cities are through the roof. 3 power for each level 3 building seems off, when one tile improvement (windmill/solar farm) only gives 2 power. Even at a 1:4 conversion ratio for coal and oil, numbers seem to run up way faster than what map can supply.

 

[Jaybe]

Or maybe you aren’t supposed to have enough resources to power every building and fuel every unit you want.
It is a continuation of the dreaded difficult choices meme.

Personally, I don’t care to play on any maps smaller than huge. So if I find I don’t have access to a new resource, if I don’t have it, I can generally get it by either settling it or conquering it if necessary.

But yes, many of the resource requirements are borked. I am quite thankful there are mods available I can adjust to my own preferences.

 

[Giskler]

I just play with abundant resources on now so I don't have to have the headache of being stuck without a critical strategic resource because it only exists in a small corner on the other side of the world.

 

[Tech Osen]

I'm usually tight on resources, especially oil, aluminium and uranium. What is really out of wack compared to these shortages is the +1 uranium and oil per university when winning the nobel prize of physics. It's too much of a game changer and I don't see the connection to the RL prize.

 

[Sostratus]

Basically I almost never use Infantry anymore. Might as well get tanks

This is why I don't like infantry-oil. It invalidates their use case in favor of tanks. When oil is the limiter, there's literally no point in paying 430 production for a 70str, 2move unit when you can pay 480 prod for an 80str, 4 move unit. The only use case to use infantry is if your opponent has no oil and cannot build any tanks; but if they don't have oil they aren't really a threat at all anyways.

 

[Pietato]

I'm usually tight on resources, especially oil, aluminium and uranium. What is really out of wack compared to these shortages is the +1 uranium and oil per university when winning the nobel prize of physics. It's too much of a game changer and I don't see the connection to the RL prize.

THIS. That prize is insanely gamebreaking.

There is nowhere near enough Uranium on the map, even with Huge Abundant maps.

I also find the government which gives power in every city to be the best, because it saves you so many resources, and cuts downs CO2 heavily.

 

[Sostratus]

I also find the government which gives power in every city to be the best, because it saves you so many resources, and cuts downs CO2 heavily.

I want to like corporate libertarianism. But if I have say, 10 cities, that's 30 power or 7.5 coal/oil. Do you even have 7.5 coal+oil deposits in an empire that size? It's just such a good bonus. And the project boost is over the top.

The worst was how they buffed Synthetic Technocracy between reveal and release from +2 to +3 power, and nerfed corporate libertarianism from +15% for encampment and CH to just +10%, and they made the science penalty global instead of just cities without governors (rude.) -10% tourism is a trivial penalty unless you're going for culture victory-> you would want Digital Democracy instead. It should be -10% culture because that would actually make you weaker at defending against CV. I think CL needs to be buffed to its reveal state, at least the production bonuses.