What are the Chances of ZOC's Working?

[Mr. Do]

I hardly ever see a unit taking a swipe at an enemy unit moving besides it. In my current game about 15 AI units strolled past a fortress in one turn without a single one of them losing a point of HP. In the whole game I think ZOC's have worked once to my favour... so what are the chances of them working?

And what affects the chances? Is one unit in a fort as likely to use their ZOC as 50 units (In the above example, my fort was loaded full of troops)? Anything else that I could do with knowing..?

 

[warpstorm]

IIRC, one unit from the stack attmpts to shot. If it misses (using the standard A-D rules) you don't see the attack.

 

[ybbor]

i know forts claim to have the bonus, but they have forgot to include it, as i've never seen it. i've several times seen armies and other units take a shot though

 

[Kalach]

I've seen it work a few times. It has to be from one adjacent square to another though, not into a square near your unit, and then away from it next turn.

 

[Mr. Do]

IIRC, one unit from the stack attmpts to shot. If it misses (using the standard A-D rules) you don't see the attack.

It can't be that simple... these were units whose defense was at most 5 moving past units whose attack was at least 3. Nearly every other unit should have taken a hit. Maybe ybbor is right about fortresses not actually conferring this state.

Ironically I have seen non-ZOC units take a swipe at passing units in the past that weren't in a fort. I was rather confused by this... I think I read somewhere that walled towns/ cities give this ability too?

 

[Tripwire]

I think there's a random number associated with it. Sometimes I can move a unit past another and it takes no hits, yet the very next unit I move in the same path winds up with damage.

 

[ybbor]

Ironically I have seen non-ZOC units take a swipe at passing units in the past that weren't in a fort. I was rather confused by this... I think I read somewhere that walled towns/ cities give this ability too?

you checked the civilopedia entry on those units right? the following exercise a zone of control

aegies cruiser
armies
cavalry
panzer
mechanized infantry
modern armor
keshik
sipahi
modern paratrooper
radar artillery
cossack
conquistador
tanks

maybe you were thinking of units in an army

 

[bob rulz]

I see ZOC work a lot, just not all the time.

 

[LaserSquad]

I've had it work for me too. I think the trick is to use the right units in the fortress, i.e. archers, horsemen etc.

 

[The Last Conformist]

I did some testing long ago. Gave up before I found the exact formula, but I suspect there's first a basic percentage chance of attempting an attack, and then A and D values come in.

D=1 units passing A=99 units with ZOC take a hit about 1/3 of the time, IIRC.

 

[Mr. Do]

you checked the civilopedia entry on those units right? the following exercise a zone of control

aegies cruiser
armies
cavalry
panzer
mechanized infantry
modern armor
keshik
sipahi
modern paratrooper
radar artillery
cossack
conquistador
tanks

maybe you were thinking of units in an army

No. I was thinking of what I said. Non-ZOC units exerting a ZOC. Pikemen, musketeers.

 

[ybbor]

ummm.......uhhhhh....are you sure your not thinking of zero-range bombardment?

 

[Mr. Do]

No, I was thinking of what I said. Is there any way I can respond without you asking if I'm not actually thinking of something else?

 

[ybbor]

well it shouldn't be happening so i'm trying to figure out if there's an alternative explination, because quite frankly, what your saying isn't happening, so i'll continue with a few more questions
were you playng a mod? perhaps ZOC was added to a unit or two
are you 100% sure you know the difference between 0-range bombardment and ZOC?
are you sure the ZOC wasn't exercised by a unit 'under' the unit your talking about?

 

[The Last Conformist]

@ybbor: Would you be unaware of the fact that being in a Fortress grants any unit a ZOC?

 

[alamo]

Maybe the stack does not expose EVERY troop for a ZOC opportunity, just the stongest one that has not attacked in the current turn.

When you have a stack of cav then a passing unit gets hit at most once per ZOC incursion, right?

 

[ybbor]

@ybbor: Would you be unaware of the fact that being in a Fortress grants any unit a ZOC?

he said that there was no way the unit should be execising the ZOC, and i thought that includes fortresses

 

[Mr. Do]

well it shouldn't be happening so i'm trying to figure out if there's an alternative explination, because quite frankly, what your saying isn't happening, so i'll continue with a few more questions
were you playng a mod? perhaps ZOC was added to a unit or two
are you 100% sure you know the difference between 0-range bombardment and ZOC?
are you sure the ZOC wasn't exercised by a unit 'under' the unit your talking about?

Why do you think I am so adamant that I've seen it happen? It's because I was playing the standard game, and units moving past pikemen and musketeers were very occasionally taking ZOC hits, which is contrary to what I thought happens. That's why I remember it so vividly!

This thread from apolyton confirms that at worst this is a group hallucinaition
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119790