alexanderbryan
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the ottomans there ability is so bad
What civilization you hate the most?
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oliver
Chieftain
The russians.
For some reason they always declare war on me whether in 3000B.C. or in 1950A.D.
Whether I'm stronger then them or not it's really irritating
For some reason they always declare war on me whether in 3000B.C. or in 1950A.D.
Whether I'm stronger then them or not it's really irritating
Somohexual
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#1. Russia: : (
- Catherine's empire always seems to spread like a disease with cities spaced only a few hexes apart, which is incredibly problematic with Russia's UB. She'll play nice and generally be passive until you settle one city even remotely close to her monstrous border. Also, Russia always seems to be the Civ that gets big Culture Wonders like Sistine Chapel and Angkor Wat so she eats up a ton of space. Oh, and it feels like I get AI Catherine's every game; I tried playing Russia but I have such a negative association with the orange borders and city names now. xP
#2. Persia: D:
- Incredibly expansionistic and seems to end up with a 200+ point lead in score every game no matter what happens. If Persia is far away from you then Darius will rapidly conquer his neighbors and, in turn, get progressively more and more cocky and aggressive. The distance wont deter him either, you'll be busy defending your borders on all sides from the civilizations on your continent when suddenly Darius declares war from a million miles away. If you're unlucky enough to start close to him or on his continent be ready to fight tool and nail for your cities. I also haven't tried Persia out because it sounds like perma-Golden Ages is cheating and would require too much tedious upkeep. On the other hand, if I didn't abuse Golden Ages I'd feel like I was wasting Darius' UA. :/
In one game I was playing as Rome on a medium/small island connected to another medium/small island inhabited by Persia. In the time it took me to learn Calendar and Writing, Darius had already consumed the poor City State that started on his island and was quickly expanding his border. Eventually he declared war on me because he ran out of space on his island; meanwhile my territory consisted of Rome and two small, new cities. The only reason I was able to hold on was because our two islands were connected by a VERY small strip of land (3 hexes wide on either side where it attached but only 1 hex wide in the middle). Despite Darius' vastly superior army and production he was unable to reach Rome because his units were forced to advance one by one. I was able to create an impenetrable barricade by blocking the land bridge with 3 Forts fortified by Legions and supported by Ballista's, Rome's early game ftw. : D Both of our capitals were near the bride itself too so it was easy to stop any embarked units with city bombardments and naval units that could quickly get into position.
/rant
- Catherine's empire always seems to spread like a disease with cities spaced only a few hexes apart, which is incredibly problematic with Russia's UB. She'll play nice and generally be passive until you settle one city even remotely close to her monstrous border. Also, Russia always seems to be the Civ that gets big Culture Wonders like Sistine Chapel and Angkor Wat so she eats up a ton of space. Oh, and it feels like I get AI Catherine's every game; I tried playing Russia but I have such a negative association with the orange borders and city names now. xP
#2. Persia: D:
- Incredibly expansionistic and seems to end up with a 200+ point lead in score every game no matter what happens. If Persia is far away from you then Darius will rapidly conquer his neighbors and, in turn, get progressively more and more cocky and aggressive. The distance wont deter him either, you'll be busy defending your borders on all sides from the civilizations on your continent when suddenly Darius declares war from a million miles away. If you're unlucky enough to start close to him or on his continent be ready to fight tool and nail for your cities. I also haven't tried Persia out because it sounds like perma-Golden Ages is cheating and would require too much tedious upkeep. On the other hand, if I didn't abuse Golden Ages I'd feel like I was wasting Darius' UA. :/
In one game I was playing as Rome on a medium/small island connected to another medium/small island inhabited by Persia. In the time it took me to learn Calendar and Writing, Darius had already consumed the poor City State that started on his island and was quickly expanding his border. Eventually he declared war on me because he ran out of space on his island; meanwhile my territory consisted of Rome and two small, new cities. The only reason I was able to hold on was because our two islands were connected by a VERY small strip of land (3 hexes wide on either side where it attached but only 1 hex wide in the middle). Despite Darius' vastly superior army and production he was unable to reach Rome because his units were forced to advance one by one. I was able to create an impenetrable barricade by blocking the land bridge with 3 Forts fortified by Legions and supported by Ballista's, Rome's early game ftw. : D Both of our capitals were near the bride itself too so it was easy to stop any embarked units with city bombardments and naval units that could quickly get into position.
/rant
blackcatatonic
Queen of Meme
In my current game, which I'm fast losing interest in, I'm developing a hatred for the Inca - who always seem to have so much money that games with them inevitably become a race against time as I try to win before they build the UN - and Gandhi. Wonder-stealing, expansionistic little <BEEP>.
Monty always tends to be the worst for me. He'll declare war on a whim, even if he knows he can't win, even when it makes absolutely no sense to do so because there's nothing for him to get out of it, just because he can.
Augustus is also pretty bad, if only because he annoys me with how little he cares about anything in diplomacy. He just looks so bored. I want to reach into the monitor and strangle him whenever we have to talk. At least you can tell Monty is having fun, bless his evil little soul.
Augustus is also pretty bad, if only because he annoys me with how little he cares about anything in diplomacy. He just looks so bored. I want to reach into the monitor and strangle him whenever we have to talk. At least you can tell Monty is having fun, bless his evil little soul.
The one that builds Great Wall... Himeji... then wonderspams everything else.
Recent game, Emperor, Siam... two neighbors America and Ottomans. Ottos pretended to be bros, but they were build their 2nd city aimed at my capital and I knew a war was coming. Sure enough, two turns later, he said lol you die, and I went Tabarnak's sword rush on his arse. Got my four city planted on a real juicy Iron tile (9 Iron) right next to his capital, and oh my god Suleiman panicked like a bro when he saw five swordsmen pumping down at him. Said hey bro sorry for dishin' yo peace, but I would have none of it. One civ exterminated under a torrent of iron.
Then, America. Oh god. He was next to me. So close to my third city. Yet I never discovered him till I finished Suleiman. If I knew what was going to happen, I would have crashed my economy to rushbuy warriors/swords, rushed all my swords to his border and taken his capital and then that continent would be mine right there.
Instead, I was content to just handle all my happiness/GPT problems, trade with "neutral" (covets your lands) Murca and then a dozen or two dozen turns later, Great Wall! Then it was some other wonder, Stonehenge... Colossus... Notre Dame... Porcelain Tower... Himeji... Taj Mahal...
And I watched him grow bigger and bigger, from a civ that my advisor said "I'm not sure they have a military at all" to "the American Empire is not to be trifled with", each wonder quickly slipped out of my grasp. It was right then and there that I vowed that in each game of continents I play, after I crushed my first early rushed civ, if there are still anybody left, I will just rush them all to hell. There will be no more neighbors on Continents, unless they are on another continent (which is another unless I have a million goldstack and nukes and oh mai)
Recent game, Emperor, Siam... two neighbors America and Ottomans. Ottos pretended to be bros, but they were build their 2nd city aimed at my capital and I knew a war was coming. Sure enough, two turns later, he said lol you die, and I went Tabarnak's sword rush on his arse. Got my four city planted on a real juicy Iron tile (9 Iron) right next to his capital, and oh my god Suleiman panicked like a bro when he saw five swordsmen pumping down at him. Said hey bro sorry for dishin' yo peace, but I would have none of it. One civ exterminated under a torrent of iron.
Then, America. Oh god. He was next to me. So close to my third city. Yet I never discovered him till I finished Suleiman. If I knew what was going to happen, I would have crashed my economy to rushbuy warriors/swords, rushed all my swords to his border and taken his capital and then that continent would be mine right there.
Instead, I was content to just handle all my happiness/GPT problems, trade with "neutral" (covets your lands) Murca and then a dozen or two dozen turns later, Great Wall! Then it was some other wonder, Stonehenge... Colossus... Notre Dame... Porcelain Tower... Himeji... Taj Mahal...
And I watched him grow bigger and bigger, from a civ that my advisor said "I'm not sure they have a military at all" to "the American Empire is not to be trifled with", each wonder quickly slipped out of my grasp. It was right then and there that I vowed that in each game of continents I play, after I crushed my first early rushed civ, if there are still anybody left, I will just rush them all to hell. There will be no more neighbors on Continents, unless they are on another continent (which is another unless I have a million goldstack and nukes and oh mai)
I forgot all about that. Gah, I hate that wonder so much. More annoying than anything else. Whoever builds it gets promoted to the #1 slot on my list of enemies.
I believe Darius of Persia and Greeks has been distressing me the most in my games.
Not sure why it happens but later on the game I see that I am at war with every country I have met. Declarations of war falls like dominoes from every direction no matter how friendly our relations have been. However, I think the civs I mentioned are the ones who wants a piece of my nation the most.
Not sure why it happens but later on the game I see that I am at war with every country I have met. Declarations of war falls like dominoes from every direction no matter how friendly our relations have been. However, I think the civs I mentioned are the ones who wants a piece of my nation the most.
CleverFool
Warlord
Definitely Siam. Ramy seems to grab up all the CS's, and quickly becomes a dominant power. For what one would think would be a more peaceful Civ, he does a lot of conquering, and seems extremely quick to back stab [me].
On a more personal note, Gandhi always bothers me. It seems no matter what I do I can't please him. Which is fine because he's typically a small and pathetic AI anyways (stupid jerk...)
On a more personal note, Gandhi always bothers me. It seems no matter what I do I can't please him. Which is fine because he's typically a small and pathetic AI anyways (stupid jerk...)
Jacques Lamerde
Chieftain
If you adopt the patronage tree, and have enough money you can counter this problem easily. One turn after you've made peace with the CS your influence goes to plus 20,
gift them 500 gold, and now they are your ally. Next DOW from Alex, and that CS is on your side.
MarauderCH
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Siam! In my games, they always seem to dominate the other AIs and I find myself having to fight a war at the end of the game to knock them out of action. Plus, I normally use CS a lot and he is my main competition for them...
It's not really the building itself. Its what happens when your neighbor builds one and has it cover most of his expansive territory, and then starts wonderspamming all the good wonders that makes going into them an extremely tedious affair. And then he expands in the Renaissance/Industrial age with his UUs...
PhilBowles
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Personally I hope this gets fixed in both directions. On the one hand, declaring war just to deny CSes is an annoying trick there's no way around (other than CS conquest) if the allied civ is determined not to make peace, other than running them out of gold until their allies fall away. Not to mention that it's annoying that you can fulfil a CS quest while they're at war and it won't register with them at all (unless you subsequently declare peace with them and they recognise your 'achievement', at which time the influence bonus is set off by that giant "we were at war" negative) - hopefully the new espionage tools (particularly coups) can be used to force a CS out of a war against you.
On the other, that Patronage policy makes life too easy. I don't need to care in the slightest if I'm trespassing all over a CS's territory, and nothing short of war will upset them. There should certainly be some penalty that sticks around if you have been to war with a CS (or indeed have occupied one, yet the moment it's liberated and you get a chance to declare peace with the liberators, it's back to +20 influence).
PhilBowles
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Hmm, my vote may be swaying in favour of Germany, but I've played too few games against them to solidify this feeling. However, Lansneckht/Archer spam gave me one of my most frustrating Civ experiences capturing Berlin. And in my recent game, after being strong war allies against the Ottomans, they eventually turned on me and, wow, I've never seen so many units. I lost my army, Istanbul and Ecbatana, and am somewhat surprised that rushing a couple cannon actually kept me alive long enough to get to rifles and go on the offensive ... right up until I took Ecbatana back, and now I seem mired back where I started with too many German units (now at my tech level) to allow me to push on to hit Frankfurt, or to hit Essen (which appears undefended, but would require leaving Ecbatana undefended in turn). A push south to recapture Istanbul and capture the isolated German cities there is out of the question while I'm forced to hold all the army I have in the north just to keep in stalemate.
On the one hand it does give a strong sense of triumph against the odds, but on the other ... wow, Bismarck is annoying.
On the one hand it does give a strong sense of triumph against the odds, but on the other ... wow, Bismarck is annoying.
apocalypse105
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Bottom line of this topic everyone hates a other AI because not everyone gets the same AI in their game.
They all act like warmongers and jerks
They all act like warmongers and jerks
