Thanks guys. The gold in diplomancy sounds obvious, but I didn't think of it at the time. Just so I don't have to start another thread...anyone know why I can't start a defensive pact with someone? it's not in red, but when I try to add it to 'the table' at the bottom, it doesn't add at all. Maybe they have to be friendly/pleased only? I can't remember if he was cautious/annoyed or not.