what should we do to afganistan?

[Ashoka]

Gee, guys, it seems to me that the US has done exactly NOTHING as of yet!

Lots of fumilating about the attacks on the poor Afghans - - yet this has not happened (other than the continued fighting between the Taleban and internal enemies.)

Where are all the posts from the pacifists on the board about the Taleban, who, in contrast, have actually killed poor Afghans already, and continue to do so by stealing several tonnes of UN food aide?

Keep some perspective...

Ashoka

 

[G-Man]

Well, I've heard that the US and UK are helping the northern alliance already... Just don't count on them to much, and always keep an eye open for what they're doing - Israel is still paying a heavy diplomatic price for what the christians did in Sabra and Shatilla.

 

[Dell19]

Originally posted by G-Man
Israel is still paying a heavy diplomatic price for what the christians did in Sabra and Shatilla.

And what happened there? Sorry I don't learn History at school anymore and I just don't keep upto date with Isreali happenings...

(This may make me look even more stupid...)

 

[G-Man]

Sabra and Shatila are two Palestinian refugee camps. The arab christians, an allies of Israel during the Lebanon war, massacered them.
And untill today, almost twenty years after that, people are still angry about us because of that. I dunno if they're right or wrong - no one knows if Israel knew the christians were going to do this.

 

[Ashoka]

G-Man
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Sabra and Shatila are two Palestinian refugee camps. The arab christians, an allies of Israel during the Lebanon war, massacered them.
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I remember that, but I did not remember the cities.

This kind of story does not get lots of play in the US. People here are always real hot to talk about "Fundementalist Islamic Terrorists" (with good reason, obviously) but seem to balk at talking about Timothy McVeigh or William Rudolph (accountable for the Atlanta Olympics bombing, a few family planning clinics and a gay nightclub) as "Fundementalist Christian Terrorists." Most disgustingly, these two criminals are sometimes referred to as "Misguided Patriots" (gag!)

I guess the Sabra/Shatila massacers fall into the same category.

Ashoka

 

[willemvanoranje]

AS long as the people of Aghanistan aren't hurt, and as long as there is no chemical or biological weapon **** involved. Maybe no economic sanction?

 

[G-Man]

How can anyone put economic sanction on Afghanistan? They export nothing and they import nothing. They live on aid food.

 

[weimar_republic]

its been reported, that in texas, Osama Bin Laden pinyattas {bad spelling, pin-yat-ah-s} are being sold. you fill pinyattas with treats and hit them with baseball bats untill they burst open... I want one

 

[dreadhead7]

The only worthwhile thing that Afghanistan has is it's people, and we shouldn't mess with them. The poster from Mexico (Huitzi) seems to think that we Americans are all bloodthirsty, and that we think that we are better, and worthier than others. You know, people, I'm really starting to get angry here. We Americans have very diverse views on what should happen, and they all don't involve bloodshed. Many of us don't think that we are better, or holier-than-thou. We are angry, saddened, and terrified about what has happened. Though I don't like the idea of war, I DO support my country in this time of crisis--something must be done to answer the threat of terrorism. If any of you has read any of my posts, you'll know that I, among others, have been a voice of peace and moderation. I wish that all of those who choose to see Americans as racist warmongers would back down. Just because you don't hear a big outcry of peace coming from we Americans doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in our minds and hearts.

Please remember--this is NOT a war against Afghanistan, NOR is it a war against Islam. It is a war against TERRORISM!

 

[SunTzu]

Well it seems that the terrorists planned to use some sort of Chemical/Biological Weapons using Crop-dusters. And i saw on the news that the FBI says that the use of Chemical/Biological Weapons by terrorist is a strong possibility.
If they use Chemical/Biological Weapons i say we use nukes!

 

[SunTzu]

Alright you stupid son of a *****! You need to shut the **** up with all of this US is soooo wrong bull****! This **** didn't happen in your sissy ass country!
You need to shut the **** up. Go ***** about your own country that never does anything but does conspire with the NAZI's. So you can suck my left nut you ****ing *****!

 

[joespaniel]

Wars are fought for many reasons, almost always very bad ones. For the first time since WWII, it seems, we are again thrust into a situation where we MUST fight to preserve our way of life. It has nothing to do with right, wrong, good, evil, religion or politics.

As a U.S. citizen, I appreciate everyones right to opinion. I served to defend that. As a veteran of the horrible street combat in Somolia, it sickens me to see the images of destruction and to think of whats to come. I am firmly for non-violence, but the time for that ended with the lives of thousands of innocents on September 11th.

These people are vermin to be exterminated, and it is my sincere hope that not another single innocent is harmed, Afghan or otherwise. But that is not likely to happen.

It is had to keep in perspective that the U.S. is NOT at war with another country, yet anyway. All this talk about nuclear weapons is kind of rediculous. This is a war for spies and policemen, special forces and smart bombs.

And in my opinion, this is a war for survival. I hope that all our foreign freinds stand with us, because if we were to perish surely you would be be next. When terrorists get the a-bomb, they WILL use it.

My thoughts are with the Americans and British forces already in harms way. My gratitude lies with all the people of the nations which are supporting us in other ways.

Joespaniel

 

[Huitzilopochtli]

Dreadhead, I don't beleive all americans to be warmongerin rascists, If you would have read my reply carefully you would have noticed that I stated that I have family members living in the US. Now they are no less american than you, they cherish your way of life and that is their decision. What was implicit and I beleive is the foreign policy of your government, I have nothing against the average american working citizen, It is against the people that weild economic and military power in such a savage way the one's I have a bone with.

And Weimer it's piñata

 

[dreadhead7]

Huitzi, I in no way meant to imply that your family members are no less American than I. I have NO prejudice whatsoever! Where did you get that from what I said???? I apologize for my somewhat knee-jerk reation. I'm just getting tired of us Americans being portrayed so horribly. I am NOT the enemy, here. Tell me, what would you do?

 

[starlifter]

This slow, lagging BBS is posting lots of "doubles" today. This post is identical to the very next one, and I deleted it to save space.

 

[starlifter]

I think that you should bomb the Afghans with food.

LOL, I have never heard it pt quite like that before. BTW, America has "bombed" some neighboring nations with food... and I was personally doing dome of the "bombing" on behalf of the American taxpayer in the 1990's. Pull out an Atlas and have a look at places like Tashkent, Alma-Ata, Baku. Look at nations like Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, etc.

If people follow and understand what is going on right now, you might now know why they are very helpful and have even been offering military staging bases for us. We were there for them, "bombing" them with food, in February of 1992, when many of them were starving and dying... we airlifted tens of thousands of pounds of relief supplies to them... at no charge. I have never seen more grateful people, and every time we arrived with another planeful of food, shelter, medicine, baby incubators, etc. I have never seen such tears of happiness from people. I wish all Americans should have seen it, but the news media covered very little about the massive, round the clock effort of George Herbert Walker Bush to save desperate people in a dozen countries simultaneously. And evidently, these nations have not completely forgotten America's free assistance half a world away from it's shores, in their desperate hour of need.

 

[Mikoyan]

Sun Tzu: You moron!:midfinger
The use of tactical NUKES against a country that doesn't even have anything to put against you to begin with would truly speck the interest of other power factors in the world, and what are you going to do then? Nuke them too? It is that kind of nazi attitude that will start the next world war.[punch]

 

[G-Man]

Nukes are not the answer against terrorism. Terrorists are hiding within the civilian population, so nuking them means nuking millions. This may be the only solution to a weaker country, but the US has enough power to send troops into Afghanistan that will fight only the terrorists.
Starlifter - I'm not so sure all countries really apriciate the food you're giving them. In Afghanistan, even in taliban controled areas, people are living on aid food, and almost all of it comes from your country... It doesn't seem that the taliban really helps you because of that. A lot of extrimist muslim leaders tell their people that it's the US's fault that they have no food, so the US has to give them food. It's like in that book (I'm not sure how it's called in English) "Who took my cheese?".

 

[Ashoka]

The only worthwhile thing that Afghanistan has is it's people, and we shouldn't mess with them. The poster from Mexico (Huitzi) seems to think that we Americans are all bloodthirsty, and that we think that we are better, and worthier than others.

True, dread. However, the issue of how to deal with the Taleban is more complex, and can not be ignored.

Bin Laden is now, admittedly, *still* in Afghanistan, where he has been sheltered and encouraged by the Taleban. They now claim to have asked him to leave - a week ago they were claiming they didn't know where he was.

The Taleban are major human rights abusers - - the West has done nothing about this, partly due to the argument that human rights are a 'western value', and other cultures should not be expected to honor human rights. The US even gave the Taleban between $43 - $177 million over the last 12 months, largely to reward them for supposedly eliminating the growth of opium.

Now, however, we have a quasi-government that supports international terrorism - responsible for several thousand deaths over the last few years. If action is not taken - and it sems that military action is the only thing the Taleban is going to find persuasive - the violence will continue to escalate.

I think the US is being *very* responsive to the needs of the Afghan people - - the slow pace of potential military response has allowed thousands to flee the remaining city centers, or to escape to the northern part of the country controlled by the United Front. Some of the terrorists and their supports may even escape this way. A truly bloodthirsty response would have been to seal the border and move in with heavy military and ground troops in the south - the area held by the Taliban and much less mountainous than the north. This type of 'net' would have caught everyone - innocent and terrorist. The current action allows many of the innocent to seek safety, even though it allows some of the guilty to escape as well.

In Peace -
Ashoka

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Osama is trying to provoke America into attacking a Muslim country so that he can drum up more hatred betw the Islamic world and the West. That's why the US govt is proceeding so carefully in this war and they keep emphasing that they are warring against terrorists, not Muslims.
Even so, some ignorant Muslims cont to rant for a jihad against the West. What more if the Americans nuke Afghanistan? The Islamic backlash that is almost guaranteed will destabilise a lot of regions incl mine.
I was born in, grew up in and am a citizen of Malaysia, a fairly moderate Muslim country with large Chinese and Indian minorities. For the past 10 yrs, the local Islamic fundamentalist party has been making a lot of political inroads. And right now, the spiritual leader and chief of that party is calling on Msian Muslims to take up arms and attk the US if the Americans attked Afghanistan.
So if America nukes Afghanistan, all hell will break loose in my home country. I am sure that the situation is just as tense in many other regions and countries since Islam has lots of adherents all over the world. It's easy for some of you guys to call for nuking since you won't be that much affected but many people like me will have to face up to the political fallout.
So don't fall for Osama's trap. But GET HIM and put him on trial! I am really enraged that he took so many lives just to advance his cause. People like him shld be made an example of just so that future aspiring Osamas will think twice before taking up this particular path.