What should we do with our New Leader

What should we do with our great leader Charis (Darius)

  • Make an Army of Immortals

    Votes: 20 52.6%
  • Make an Army of Spearmen

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Make an Army of Immortals and Spearmen

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Save him to rush a wonder.

    Votes: 18 47.4%

  • Total voters
    38
  • Poll closed .

Falcon02

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We have only two things we can do with our new leader. Make Charis (Darius) the leader of his own Army of Immortals, or save him to rush a future wonder. What shall it be.

I feel the Army is more important at this time. Simply because we're at war with Everyone, and we need a sucessful Army for the Heroic Epic and the Military Acadamy in the future.
 
For your reference, a short list of wonders that are available:
Colossus
Hanging Gardens
Great Lighthouse (currently being built by others though)

Within a tech or 2:
Sun Tsu
Sistene Chapel

A few techs away:
JS Bach's
Leo's Workshop

Also:
Forbidden Palace

Obviously, if much more fighting is expected, an Army & Heroic epic would be valuable. Also, an army of Immortals would be quite fearful too. All choices are not that bad, IMHO.
 
I think we should wait until can build Leo's Workshop so we can upgrade units cheap
 
we can start building the art of war and make a run for it.
if we feel another civilisation is going to outbuild us, rush
it. if not, wait for leo's.
a combination of sun tzu's and leo's is deadly.
 
We shouldn't wait any longer in using the Leader. As you can only have ONE leader at a time.

So we should decide now what to do with him and not wait with him. If a wonder then one that would be buildable within the next couple of turns.
 
At first, the army seemed the logical choice, but as I look at the reports, we seem to be doing very well offensively and defensively. As Grey Fox says the opportunity for another leader may come quickly, armies may not be a problem. The Hanging Gardens, is an opportunity given to us by the Great Library. This means there may be other nations building this high culture value Wonder already. With the Leader in PDX, which is not building a unit at the moment, and the enemy walking our territory, hurrying the Hanging Gardens there may be the way to go. PDX will be a strong builder and perhaps even our main or secondary Wonder builder in the future. Taking one turn out of its military production schedule to snatch the Gardens may be the way to go. A very potent Wonder, it makes 3 unhappy citizens content in its city and one unhappy citizen content in all friendly cities. Plus it won't expire untill the Steam Engine. To top it off, only 4 other Wonders have a higher Culture rating (well 5, but we already have the Great Library).

Edit: After checking, 4 other nations have Monarchy but no one is building the Gardens, although with all of the Great Lighthouse Wonders being built, the Gardens may be a target soon.
 
I'd go with an army. We'll never be able to build more armies if we don't use a leader for one. After we build our first army, we should use all subsequant leaders to build wonders.

However, if we do go for a wonder, I think Sun Tzu's is by far the most important.
 
Armies are like combined stacks, you get all the hit points, but you don't lose any units until you lose the very last one. Therefore it's harder to kill. Say we send 3 Immortals at them, while we have 3 trys in one turn, we may lose 2 of those and leave only 1. And you must rebuild in order to regain the hit points. An Army you can send back and just let him heal.

One question I have... I've never hurried a wonder with a Leader. So, I'm wondering if when you hurry a wonder, if it only get's mostly finished, or if you can get all the sheilds in one turn?
 
i would say we rush a wonder right now.

Hanging Gardens sound good if we don't want to wait a couple tech for sun tzu
But if we declare peace with all nation i think we can wait before *the next attack we make* to rush a wonder

An army aslo sound good if we have the intention to kill everyone on our continent, and build the small wonder that give us more chance to get a leader after.
 
In our current status with having the Americans within our grasp, even with the few immortals we have now (and double in the next few turns) the chances of taking the American empire are strong even without armies. Why make an army of immortals when just three or four stacked will do the trick? As we have made it clear, the Hanging Gardens is a nice wonder. It provides a lot of culture (my main incentive) and makes one unhappy citizen content, which is sure to start a We Love the King Day somewhere. With the Great Lighthouse being worked on by so many civs, at least two or three are going to switch to the Hanging Gardens which will severly cut the odds of us finishing it first. I would also like to clear up something: are you only allowed to have one great leader at a time? If you are, I suggest that using Darius for rushing a wonder or put him in an army should happen fast so that we can get another great leader and put him to use too. If this is not true, then we should take our time, for there is no use rushing what does not need to be rushed. Sorry about the long post, hope it was useful!
 
I say go for a wonder right now and hope for another leader as we wipe out the Americans. We need to push the American borders away from our own asap to prevent culture flipping. Easiest way for that is to wipe them out. With all the elites we have we stand a good chance of geting another GL.
 
I'm starting to think we may want to save him for Sun Tzu. Not sure how many turns (approximately) that should be.
 
Of course with all this fighting we may have a good chance for another one in time for Sun Tzu.... ARG!!!!

This is a tough choice, we have no garentees either way. Sun Tzu is important, but we can't just let our Leader stand Idle for Sun Tzu and prevent any more leaders from emerging.

This said, we need to make an Army then hope to God our future offensives will allow another leader for us to rush Sun Tzu.

(In our current state I feel Sun Tzu is more important than the Hanging gardens, allows vet troops and upgrades in every city.)
 
If we were to choose a wonder, our leader may need to make it during the next turn. So, if people vote wonder, they should also state which wonder, so our leaders can build a strategy around it. If they vote army, they should state what they would like to see it consist of.

A further note to the wonders: 1-2 techs away may or may not be immediate (i.e. during the next session). We are currently not doing research, so it will be up to the other civs which techs are soon.

Maybe if we vote wonder here, we could post another poll regarding which one. Not sure if we have the time or if it's fair though!

Also, I am not sure what is fair. Should we allow all the people voting for "wonder" to count together? Or, should we split their vote into separate wonders? There are some votes which may be skewed. For example:
Let's say someone voted for Wonder, and wanted Sistene. They would be voting against army here. However, for a wonder, more people vote for Sun Tsu's. Maybe that person would prefer an army to Sun Tsu's. Kinda complicated, but I guess it's possible.
 
All good points chiefpaco. Maybe as far as Wonders are concerned we should stick to what's currently available, as our decision needs to be made now.

@ Falcon02, in regards to you last point. Remember that barracks are a lot cheaper to build (by about a third) than temples.
 
My view is that the leader should be used immediately. We are likely to be at war for a while, so I expect we stand a good chance of earning another one. Especially when we sack Chicago.

I always use a leader to rush the following if they are still available:

Great Library
Sun Tzu
Hoover
UN

Otherwise, I generally am opposed to using a leader on wonders until the first army is built and victory achieved, opening up the minor wonders associated with that.

We are 37 turns out from Feudalism. It is not possible to know how close our enemies are, though they all seem to want Monotheism for peace, thus at least a few are researching it. While the GL will get us the tech sooner perhaps, I am in favor of burning the leader now.

Given that none of my priority techs are on the table, I would recommend forming a army of immortals to lead us to a victory.

Bill
Trade Leader
 
We should certainly use the leader now so that our second will come that much sooner!

I have voted for a wonder - the Hanging Gardens. I only regret that we are talking about building it in PDX rather than Fox Nest. (I understand the leader is in PDX and can't reach the capitol in one turn.:( )

The advantage we would gain from an army is not so much military right now. An army of immortals would not increase our fighting effectiveness all that much so it seems the reason for the army is to be able to build heroic epic. That will merely increase our chances of getting a great leader but with the number of enemies we have and the fighting ahead of us the leaders will emerge. The armies will be built, they will win victories and epics will be told. For now we can build a wonder.

While I lean towards the gardens we must also consider the forbidden palace. Making our newly conquered American cities fully productive could go along way towards fulfilling our destiny.
 
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