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[orangelex44]

So, this is an example of stuff that's simply wierd: In my latest game, the Mercurians were summoned by the Sidar, of all people. There are 12 civs, Large map... these civs include the Malakim, Elohim, and Luichirp so there's no lack of willing people to spawn Basium and Co. To top it off, the Infernals Never Showed Up. Ever. I checked on WB, and they just aren't there...

I'm kind of at a loss. There isn't a whole lot of extra room for the Hellspawn to settle, but that's a recent development and there should have been plenty of space when the needed tech was researched. I refuse to believe someone killed Hyboreum before turn 300, so conquest is out - although a quick scan shows no Hellish city names anywhere anyway. It's possible that no one's actually bothered to get the tech that lets Hellboy out, but in that case the Mercurians shouldn't have been created.

I'm at a loss...

 

[Fafnir13]

They changed it a while back so that the Infernals don't have to be around to let the Mercurians in.

 

[orangelex44]

But why the SIDAR? I mean, that just doesn't seem like a reasonable matchup.

 

[Nikis-Knight]

Probably because they are industrious, so they were able to build it faster.

 

[fuzzy_bunnies]

You know, I had that happen in my last game too. We got to turn 600 or something, standard world, 6 players.... no hell terrain, no hyborem, no infernal conquered city names (in case I missed them being killed). I had the option turned on where the AC was doubled so we actually got up to 75 AC or something crazy and still no hell terrain or Hyborem.

I figured it was just a fluke... but AV was definitely founded...

 

[orangelex44]

Yeah, in my game I know AV's been founded. However, there aren't that many evils guys, and they aren't the AV types -it's the Illians, Balseraphs, the Clan, and a Decius-led Calabim. The Illians are Agnostic (and severely weak anyway), the Clan already founded FoL, and the Balseraphs and Decius just don't care. I should check who exactly founded AV... it's odd that the AV founder didn't switch.

It's actually kind of interesting how the religions went. There are two continents, the bigger one completely dominated by FoL (as always) while the smaller one was RoK... until the Elohim founded Order, switched, persuaded the Malakim to change, and them proceeded to conquer a third of the Balseraph empire.

 

[rusty217]

But why the SIDAR? I mean, that just doesn't seem like a reasonable matchup.

Actually the Sidar seem like one of the best match ups, they are most closely asocciated with Arawn and Basium is one of Arawns archangels and they also hate the undead, and since Basium is the Archangel of life he makes a good choice to kill some undead with...

 

[orangelex44]

Yeah, but summoning Basium forces the Sidar to take an aggressive role in world politics, which seems like something the Sidar aren't wont to do. They prefer to sit and wait it out while everything else goes to.... well, hell.

 

[Kael]

We dont enforce to much roleplaying in FfH games. Each game is individual and could go in a lot of directions. Arendel could follow the Overlords, Perpentach could follow the Order. Jonus and Beeri could gang up to kill Cardith, Ethne could build the Pillar of Chains.

We have some incentives and a few blocks in, but by and large we let the games develop however they want. If everyone was to predictable it wouldnt be as replayable.

 

[orangelex44]

I've actually seen most of that stuff...

As I come to think of it, the Merc Gate seems to be built by neutrals a lot in my games. The only Good civ that builds it on a consistant basis are the Elves (who get it a lot when Neutral, too), and even then it's because they're generally ahead in the tech tree. I suppose in the AI coding it's just another wonder, so the first civ there generally builds it.

 

[avalonnn]

Any Industrious trait leader is a likely candidate to build the gate if you do not -- I had to destroy Khazad (and Mercurians) once when they built the gate and decided to seal their borders to me.

 

[Darksaber1]

Yeah, but summoning Basium forces the Sidar to take an aggressive role in world politics, which seems like something the Sidar aren't wont to do. They prefer to sit and wait it out while everything else goes to.... well, hell.

Well, that and in the Lore Basium nearly exterminated the Sidar, only to be stopped by his sister.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Well, all we know about the motivation of that attempt to destroy the Sidar is that Basium assumed they were his enemy because they refused to acknowledge the importance of joining his war against the evil. By summoning him and entering into a permanent alliance they are showing that they have seen the error in their ways.

 

[Darksaber1]

Well, all we know about the motivation of that attempt to destroy the Sidar is that Basium assumed they were his enemy because they refused to acknowledge the importance of joining his war against the evil. By summoning him and entering into a permanent alliance they are showing that they have seen the error in their ways.

Yeah, his ol' "Come with Me if You Want to LIve" thing. I supose sumoning him is the only way out of his bad books.

 

[Darksaber1]

Darn, double post.