Oh come on, wouldn't it have been better to ignore the post in the first place?
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What's a liberal?
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MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Hmmmm. Humor isnt apparently your forte I see....points were made as sweeping generalizations, so who cares if its strawman or not? I didnt know we were doing it for a grade.
2 years, joined the military and doing very well. Thanks for asking.
Jeff1787
Sarge
Read below to see what Robert Frost said about the meaning of a liberal.
ParadigmShifter
Random Nonsense Generator
Well, yeah. If you like.
I prefer: "I would have a battle of wits, but I dislike fighting an unarmed man".
I prefer: "I would have a battle of wits, but I dislike fighting an unarmed man".
Would a conservative be someone too bankrupt of original, useful thought that finds quoting someone thats been dead for over 40 years an intelligent smack at liberals?
Jeff1787
Sarge
Good one.....
Jeff1787
Sarge
I'm not smart enough to follow your logic...Sorry
The quote has little basis in reality. I'm still trying to figure out why you would even consider it sig. worthy, let alone "replacement for an actual argument against liberals" worthy.
Stolen Rutters
Deity
Liberals in the USA... the stereotype.
Big government, high tax, pseudo-intellectuals:
1. who want to legislate unlimited abortion (a.k.a. backdoor euthanasia of the lower classes and lower races) through a fake concern for the welfare of the poor and disadvantaged.
2. who disincentivize productivity and personal responsibility through a gigantic expensive welfare state, so the elite "servants of the people" will end up in control of the working class who are serving their interests happily, said working class thinking they're getting a good deal when they are really getting scraps.
3. who feign interest in the environment all the while driving around in gas guzzling limos and flying private jets, because they are representatives of the working class.
Liberals, the reality:
Uh, despite all the rhetoric, they're mostly normal.
Caveat:
Conservatives, the reality:
Uh, despite all the rhetoric, they're mostly normal.
Big government, high tax, pseudo-intellectuals:
1. who want to legislate unlimited abortion (a.k.a. backdoor euthanasia of the lower classes and lower races) through a fake concern for the welfare of the poor and disadvantaged.
2. who disincentivize productivity and personal responsibility through a gigantic expensive welfare state, so the elite "servants of the people" will end up in control of the working class who are serving their interests happily, said working class thinking they're getting a good deal when they are really getting scraps.
3. who feign interest in the environment all the while driving around in gas guzzling limos and flying private jets, because they are representatives of the working class.
Liberals, the reality:
Uh, despite all the rhetoric, they're mostly normal.
Caveat:
Conservatives, the reality:
Uh, despite all the rhetoric, they're mostly normal.
@atlas: I actually see how it might. Not all liberals (and certainly this is not exclusive to liberals) may do this, but some people are so unwilling to risk offense or confrontation that they are unable to actually take a stance. Also, so what if the guy died more than 40 years ago?
@SR: I agree. I have found that most people on most points of the spectrum are pretty darned normal (for certain broad definitions of "normal") and decent people.
@SR: I agree. I have found that most people on most points of the spectrum are pretty darned normal (for certain broad definitions of "normal") and decent people.
ParadigmShifter
Random Nonsense Generator
Not very conservative, dying.
Well, we try not to hold it against him. After all, even Ronald Reagan died.
Some people is a far cry from liberals in general. I don't really know many liberals unwilling to risk offense or confrontation. Unless this is all about liberals being too politically correct or something.
I pointed out that he died more than 40 years ago because a liberal in Frost's time isn't necessarily the same as liberals we have now.
ParadigmShifter
Random Nonsense Generator
Jesus was the ultimate conservative then I guess 
Jeff1787
Sarge
The subject is, "What's a liberal?" It is merely a Frost quote about what he thought, I suppose. It is not about "sig. worthy."
True. But the quote is supposed to be derrogatory (perhaps only mildly) towards liberals, and it fails to actually point out what a liberal in today's era actually is.
Fugitive Sisyphus
Escape Artist
A liberal is someone who desires change. So whether or not a person is liberal depends on the context.
My cynical definition of a liberal is someone who doesn't understand that if there are faults in a policy that this does not necessarily mean that said policy should be changed in a particular way or even to any other way.
For completeness sake...
A conservative is someone who desires to keep the status quo or maintain the past. So whether or not a person is a conservative depends on the context.
My cynical definition of a conservative is someone who doesn't understand that just because a policy exists that said policy is good or should be maintained.
My cynical definition of a liberal is someone who doesn't understand that if there are faults in a policy that this does not necessarily mean that said policy should be changed in a particular way or even to any other way.
For completeness sake...
A conservative is someone who desires to keep the status quo or maintain the past. So whether or not a person is a conservative depends on the context.
My cynical definition of a conservative is someone who doesn't understand that just because a policy exists that said policy is good or should be maintained.
He will be back. He will come!
ParadigmShifter
Random Nonsense Generator
Bonzo is the true prophet
Keep in mind that in America, liberal has a different meaning than in most of the rest of the world--almost the opposite meaning, in fact. An American liberal would be called a social democrat, or something along those lines, anywhere else.
