What's Civ 1 got that Civ 2 hasn't?

[Valdy]

As I've never played Civ 1 before and have been raised on a steady diet of Civ 2 I was wondering if Civ 1 has anything to offer which Civ 2 doesn't? I know it's a bit of weird question as technically it shouldn't, but you know how these thing work (or don't work half the time)

 

[Cedric Greene]

It surely does. Much more of a challenge without Leonardo, or Sun Tzu and much different uses for many of the Wonders. Also non-isometric view, so when you push a direction that is the direction the unit goes. Also the settler unit is a covered wagon which I like much better. You owe it to yourself to give it a try.

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[CornMaster]

Originally posted by Valdy.com:
As I've never played Civ 1 before and have been raised on a steady diet of Civ 2 I was wondering if Civ 1 has anything to offer which Civ 2 doesn't? I know it's a bit of weird question as technically it shouldn't, but you know how these thing work (or don't work half the time)

It has a awesome replay feature at the end of the game. It replays the history of the world. The settler unit is MUCH better (Looks more realistic.) The terrian was easier to pick out. (But after several years of Civ 2, I have no problems.

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The Pyrimads were awesome!!!! All governments and no Anarchy. Kind of gave the holder a VERY unfair advantage in the early game though.

It lacks a map editor and scenarios. But since it hasn't been as disected as Civ 2 there is more randomness. It also has tragic events like floods and priate raids that Civ 2 lacks.

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[TTG]

After talking to some civ1->civ2 people and some civ2->civ1 people, I'm convinced that the biggest difference between civ1 and civ2 is the level of militarism. The diplomatic system is a lot more lax and forgiving (and simple) in civilization 1, making it easier to use and abuse computer players. Most experienced civ1 players realize that the surest way to victory is with a spartan strategy, but apparently this isn't really possible on civ2.

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[GenghisK]

It has also been said so many times that Civ1 2d graphics rock. Civ2 isometrical s***
I prefer Civ1 for that.
And there's also a reason that I'm not ashamed to admit: nostalgy. I'll always have a better place on my HD for a game I played first. A game that made me wake up every morning at 3am, that made me wear glasses, and finally a game that wasn't far from making me fail my exams. Fortunately, my Mac died one month before the final exams... Pfeew, thanks, my dear Mac for having died. Sometimes it helps

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[Vladimir Lenin]

Macs never die...

 

[TrailblazingScot]

that could be their only selling point.

 

[andy6474]

Firstly, the graphics in civ1 (the map anyway). I cannot stand the evil isometric bogus 3d viewpoint on the map that civII offers. It doesnt look like a map, or feel like one. The map (and thus 99% of the gameplay) in civII feels very plastic and after looking at it 5 minutes I get tired of it and close the game. CivI , while not a graphical masterpiece, felt so much better to look at and play.
I also find that the huge number of techs and such like in civII meant you never really knew were you were. Maybe I just didnt play it long enough compared to civ1.
The diplomacy with other civs seems to be a lot better in civ2 though. One of the things that bugged me in civ1 was the way that someone whom you had peace with could still offload their units onto your land from a boat and thus get in the way. In civII you could ask them to sod off, in civI you have to go to war to evict them.
But for me the prime defining thing that makes civII & III suck and civI shine, is that civ1 has a proper decent CIVILISED map, and not some piece of **** isometric eyesore that takes away all the atmosphere from the game.

 

[TTG]

Actually, that thing about not being able to evict people from your land is WONDERFUL. It can totally be used to the player's advantage.

Make peace with the most powerful civ. Get a diplomat and some cheap old units (maybe militia or just whatever obsolete units you have). Put them all in a boat and send them off to your "friend's" capital. Use the diplomat to position the militia. The diplomat can move anywhere, even onto enemy-controlled soil such as their irrigation and stuff. You move the diplomat onto the square, then move the unit onto the diplomat. Bingo you are in enemy territory without a war. Set them up in a seige around the capital so that they can produce no food, resources, or trade there and fortify your army. By the time you are done bringing their capital to its knees (size: 1 or 2 now), they will be much weaker than before, and eager to maintain your peace treaty. Which gives you free rein to move on to another city and continue the carnage.

Use. Abuse.

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[Ecco]

I miss Civ1, and i might like to play it again. Is there anywhere on the net to download the game from?

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[TTG]

Downloading it would be illegal. There are always ways to find an old game though. Email me and I may be able to help you out.

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[Morten Blaabjerg]

I'm not sure as to how criminal it is to download CivI on the net. After all, it is no longer available from most shops, and the only way to get it might actually be to get from the web. There's a concept called Abandonware, and many great sites supporting this offers you free of charge download of many old games, including such classics as CivI and Colonization etc. -I'm sure Sid won't object -he already made a fortune from Civ2 and is going to collect again with CivIII.

As for CivI, I think one of the truly great things about it is -as well as the wonderful, crisp and clear 2D map, the crispy, naive, pixeled graphics-, are the foreign leader pictures, with Ghandi or Stalin landing riflemen and armor on your coasts, saying with a foney grin : "We have decided to rid the world of you Civilization! Prepare for war!"

Newspaper jokes like "The weather forecast. Rain, rain, rain. Noah predicts." makes things even more hilarious!

The game have much satirical -political- charm, and it adds to a very simple, but very intriguing gameplay, that really makes you stay playing it. The diplomacy is much simpler. One thing that is missing, though, is for player initiatives to diplomacy. It is always the AI that make you an offer you can't refuse, not the other way around.

-One really annoying thing with Civ2 is all the clicking thru different screens just to get started. With CivI, just 2-3 clicks or so, and you're in. The game pace feels a lot faster with CivI. -this doesn't mean that a game can't last till early in the morning!

I agree with most of what's been said here, and I really do like the customizability of Civ2 with scenarios etc. -I was kind of very disappointed when I first saw CivII. The units, the graphics, too many opportunities. The game is not quite as focused. This is good as you can customize things more, but bad for sheer accessability and enjoyment.

CivI will always be a classic!

Yours Truly,
Morten

 

[stormerne]

Originally posted by Morten Blaabjerg:
I'm not sure as to how criminal it is to download CivI on the net. After all, it is no longer available from most shops, and the only way to get it might actually be to get from the web. There's a concept called Abandonware, and many great sites supporting this offers you free of charge download of many old games, including such classics as CivI and Colonization etc. -I'm sure Sid won't object -he already made a fortune from Civ2 and is going to collect again with CivIII.

Hello Morten. Just a reminder that the CivFanatics site does not condone downloading CivI for free from anywhere. It is still available VERY cheaply, usually bundled with other games. There are some old threads which give details of these.

Please also note that as new moderator for the CivI forum, I will be carrying on the former moderator TTG's policy of deleting or editing posts which endeavour to publish the sources of these free downloads.

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[Morten Blaabjerg]

No problem, moderator! I can see the issue with CivFanatics condoning software piracy. What people actually do I consider to be some other matter!

But with the concept of "Abandonware" -most of these sites will actually remove games, which the producers doesn't want to appear as such. The concept really only prolongs the life of old classics, that can no longer be obtained elsewhere. If you can get a copy of CivI cheaply in a box with a manual -that's surely to be preferred. -whatever you might otherwise think of piracy.

Personally I think that western civilization wouldn't have gone anywhere without people copying each others stuff. Copyright on invention of fire? Or on writing, bookprint, boats, airplanes, or computers? The Civ game itself is a parody of this circle of life. "Aztecs steel Gunpowder!"

Yours Truly,
Morten

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