What's the deal with Buganda?

[Thormodr]

I do like that new and somewhat obscure Civs are making into the game. I think many of us are happy with that.

On the other hand, I would find it a little weird to be playing in the modern age playing the USA in a Space Race or a race to develop the Nuclear Bomb against Buganda.

 

[CrackerJack45]

I do like that new and somewhat obscure Civs are making into the game. I think many of us are happy with that.

On the other hand, I would find it a little weird to be playing in the modern age playing the USA in a Space Race or a race to develop the Nuclear Bomb against Buganda.

To be fair, in civ V and VI you can be in a space race with babylon, so a 19th century civ being considered "modern" doesn't really bug me in this case.

 

[Thormodr]

To be fair, in civ V and VI you can be in a space race with babylon, so a 19th century civ being considered "modern" doesn't really bug me in this case.

Sure, that's fair. However, I'd prefer in my alternative history (is The game I am playing) that Buganda be an ancient civilization with a storied history like Babylon that somehow survived to the modern age.

It just seems weird to have a and I'm not going to use the word "primitive" civilization (perhaps undeveloped? Traditional?) in the modern age. Are they going to get unrealistic, powerful bonuses to be able to compete? I would say the same for the Zulu. I definitely want the Zulu in the game, too but where to place them?

Perhaps I am overthinking things?

 

[CrackerJack45]

Sure, that's fair. However, I'd prefer in my alternative history (is The game I am playing) that Buganda be an ancient civilization with a storied history like Babylon that somehow survived to the modern age.

It just seems weird to have a and I'm not going to use the word "primitive" civilization (perhaps undeveloped? Traditional?) in the modern age. Are they going to get unrealistic, powerful bonuses to be able to compete? I would say the same for the Zulu. I definitely want the Zulu in the game, too but where to place them?

Perhaps I am overthinking things?

This does actually get me curious as to what their city architecture of all things will look like in the modern age. I hope we don't get the generic skyscrapers in the later stages of the game, though judging by what they've shown I don't imagine I have to worry much.

 

[Thormodr]

This does actually get me curious as to what their city architecture of all things will look like in the modern age. I hope we don't get the generic skyscrapers in the later stages of the game, though judging by what they've shown I don't imagine I have to worry much.

Yeah, that's a good point. I presume you'd have a few old buildings that stick around from the previous two ages but Buganda's contribution would likely be skyscrapers or modern office towers.

 

[Patine]

On the other hand, I would find it a little weird to be playing in the modern age playing the USA in a Space Race or a race to develop the Nuclear Bomb against Buganda.

This possible scenario has always existed in Civ. Back in Civ2, early in my playing, I was beated Alpha Centauri in the Space Race three times by Boadiccea of the Celts and once by Montezuma of the Aztecs, and had my capital nuked in a surprise attack at least once by Genghis Khan of the Mongols.

 

[CrackerJack45]

Yeah, that's a good point. I presume you'd have a few old buildings that stick around from the previous two ages but Buganda's contribution would likely be skyscrapers or modern office towers.

Attempting to find interesting 19th century architecture from Buganda is uh.....

not going well...

 

[GeneralZift]

Seeing Buganda gives me hope that we won't be burdened by too many postcolonial Civ choices.
I'm excited to see what modern Civs we're going to have.
That makes me wonder what they're going to do for Arabs in the modern era...

 

[Pedro P]

Kampala was their capital, and that is a 6.7 million metropolitan area with more than enough references for the team.

Also nice to see so many people referencing the Ashanti, I hope we see them in civ7.

 

[Siptah]

This does actually get me curious as to what their city architecture of all things will look like in the modern age. I hope we don't get the generic skyscrapers in the later stages of the game, though judging by what they've shown I don't imagine I have to worry much.

I think we see their city in a few moments in the gameplay trailer or b-roll. For example, the city that gets nuked could be from Buganda.

 

[Thormodr]

I think we see their city in a few moments in the gameplay trailer or b-roll. For example, the city that gets nuked could be from Buganda.

Off topic a bit, but I wasn't that impressed with the nuclear explosion, to be honest.

Anyway, poor Buganda.

 

[player1 fanatic]

So at least we know that "Scramble for Africa" is part of Modern era.

 

[CrackerJack45]

Off topic a bit, but I wasn't that impressed with the nuclear explosion, to be honest.

I think part of it is the angle they show, it looks like the blast is going off ABOVE the city. (also the music kind of makes it sound super quiet)

I think we see their city in a few moments in the gameplay trailer or b-roll. For example, the city that gets nuked could be from Buganda.

Possible though hard to tell.

 

[Siptah]

Komm

I think part of it is the angle they show, it looks like the blast is going off ABOVE the city. (also the music kind of makes it sound super quiet)


Possible though hard to tell.
View attachment 700990

Ah, yeah, I see. Maybe because of the towers, I was misled to interpret the city as Bugandan.

With age 3 starting in the industrialization, I hope Skyscrapers are reserved for America, Singapore, PRC and the likes. And that others get a completely different architecture (we‘ve seen that for France), which should include Buganda.

 

[Arent11]

As someone who is not at all versed in African history I find it very interesting that Buganda is currently the only modern era civ we have 100% confirmed so far, especially seeing as I had never heard of it before it's reveal in Civ 7. With that said my lack of knowledge on the subject means I have no clue where to even begin speculating on what its unique bonuses would be. Will they be a diplomatic civ? Economic? Cultural? Will they have bonuses to navigable rivers like the strange Egypt > Songhai > Buganda evolution SEEMS to be setting up? I don't see any rivers looking at maps. What do we think Firaxis' plan is with Buganda? I'm very curious.

They could have picked Kenia or any actually modern African state that is today halfways successful. You would have a modern African civ, there would be more than enough choices and people would be happy.

Instead they picked a kingdom in the 19th century that was apparently not technologically modern at all, but more like ~antiquity.

 

[GeneralZift]

I hope they incorporate some Afrofuturism in their designs, so that late game cities do not all look the same.
Same for other ethnic groups. It's unrealistic but better than just skyscrapers everywhere

 

[Patine]

Kampala was their capital

Actually, incorrect. Mengo was their capital. Kampala was originally the name of the royal gazelle hunting grounds. Though, Mengo is now a small suburb of Kampala, but still.

 

[notNamed]

I hope they incorporate some Afrofuturism in their designs, so that late game cities do not all look the same.
Same for other ethnic groups. It's unrealistic but better than just skyscrapers everywhere

Why not just African cities?

It's not like modern cities all look the same. As someone mentioned previously, you can't mistake Paris for Huston, Kyiv or Tokyo. Skyscrapers and nothing else is more of a US/Arabic oil state aesthetic.

 

[BackseatTyrant]

Yeah, that's a good point. I presume you'd have a few old buildings that stick around from the previous two ages but Buganda's contribution would likely be skyscrapers or modern office towers.

That's something I've been missing since Civ 3 (aside from the leaders dressing for the time period): modern architecture being culturally diverse!

 

[UWHabs]

I hadn't heard of them, but I think I saw them mentioned in one of AtlasPro's recent videos talking about old African maps.

I don't know much about them, but it certainly gives hope that we will have a wide variety of civs to choose from. And it's always nice to get new entries into the series, like Georgia or the Mapuche last time. Glad to see them branch out to some new African civs too, beyond the handful we usually have gotten.