What's wrong with the Ivy Schools nowadays!?!

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It's not offensive if it's true, which it is. White people can be terrible, check. White people have a bad history, check. White people are collectively bad at dealing with that, check. Not saying it's anyone's fault in particular, but the history is there.
 
Traitorfish said:
It's not offensive if it's true, which it is. White people can be terrible, check. White people have a bad history, check. White people are collectively bad at dealing with that, check. Not saying it's anyone's fault in particular, but the history is there.
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You're still making sweeping statements about all members of a given "race" based on the actions of some. If I were to say, "Japanese people can be terrible, have a bad history, and are collectively terrible at dealing with that," I would become... unpopular. Sure, people who were considered Japanese did some pretty awful things, but I'm not going to hold every last Japanese person responsible for them, or make generalizations about them.
 
[< race_tag_id# >] people can be terrible. True but redundant.
People can be terrible. Just plain true.
 
Bugfatty300 said:
[< race_tag_id# >] people can be terrible. True but redundant.
People can be terrible. Just plain true.
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Yep. People will be people. No need to limit accusations of being terrible to any specific races, ethnicities, or cultural groups.
 
Actually, it'd be more like ascribing 'asians' and 'blacks' negative characteristics while ignoring the huge diversity within those two populations... something white people do all the time. But God forbid if someone makes jokes about white people because those are fighting words!
 
Phrossack said:
You're still making sweeping statements about all members of a given "race" based on the actions of some. If I were to say, "Japanese people can be terrible, have a bad history, and are collectively terrible at dealing with that," I would become... unpopular. Sure, people who were considered Japanese did some pretty awful things, but I'm not going to hold every last Japanese person responsible for them, or make generalizations about them.
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Well, I assure you, it's not my intention to ascribe personal blame. I mean, how would that even work? A lot of people who are today considered "white" would not have been considered "white" two hundred, one hundred, even fifty years ago, when a lot of this bad stuff was happening. Social construction, etc. The trick is, y'see, that the social construction of whiteness has always been a construction of superiority, of being at the top of the social pile, which necessarily means other people being at the bottom. That isn't true of a category like "Japanese", because while there have been attempts to create a Japanese-topped pile, Japanese-ness is not premised on the existence of such a pile. We can't pretend as if the two are equivalent, because, historically, that's just not how they've operated.
 
Man where would I be without TF?
 
caketastydelish said:
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/23/20-being-an-expert-on-your-culture/
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Nah, see, this is where I get to play the white ethnic card, because I deal with racial anxieties by becoming an expert on my own culture, or at least my own culture as presented to me by ethnically-themed beverages and/or punk bands. I'm not really white, y'see, I'm Irish, with a fol-de-rol-diddle and the English are all bastards, etc., so what could slavery possibly have to do with me?

It's a good trick.
 
Masada said:
Actually, it'd be more like ascribing 'asians' and 'blacks' negative characteristics while ignoring the huge diversity within those two populations... something white people do all the time. But God forbid if someone makes jokes about white people because those are fighting words!
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Bigotry against blacks and Asians is widely and openly condemned in modern American society, at least. Of course there are still racists, but they face a lot of criticism, opposition, and, if they're prominent, potential loss of employment if they say anything offensive. And rightly so. Look at what happened to Gilbert Godfrey. It's not considered okay anymore to stereotype against blacks, Asians, Hispanics, or most other groups. And that's a good thing.

But apparently I'm just a dumb white supremacist for thinking that people shouldn't stereotype any race, ethnicity, or culture.
 
"Inner city culture"? Yeah, that dudes a potential President.
 
Phrossack said:
Bigotry against blacks and Asians is widely and openly condemned in modern American society, at least. Of course there are still racists, but they face a lot of criticism, opposition, and, if they're prominent, potential loss of employment if they say anything offensive. And rightly so. Look at what happened to Gilbert Godfrey. It's not considered okay anymore to stereotype against blacks, Asians, Hispanics, or most other groups. And that's a good thing.

But apparently I'm just a dumb white supremacist for thinking that people shouldn't stereotype any race, ethnicity, or culture.
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You might as well just say "black people are the problem" and drop the curtain there.
 
Phrossack said:
Bigotry against blacks and Asians is widely and openly condemned in modern American society, at least. Of course there are still racists, but they face a lot of criticism, opposition, and, if they're prominent, potential loss of employment if they say anything offensive. And rightly so. Look at what happened to Gilbert Godfrey. It's not considered okay anymore to stereotype against blacks, Asians, Hispanics, or most other groups. And that's a good thing.

But apparently I'm just a dumb white supremacist for thinking that people shouldn't stereotype any race, ethnicity, or culture.
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Who is stereotyping who, exactly?
 
Crezth said:
You might as well just say "black people are the problem" and drop the curtain there.
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I openly oppose racism against blacks, Asians, and everyone else, and that makes me racist against them?
 
Phrossack said:
Bigotry against blacks and Asians is widely and openly condemned in modern American society, at least.
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Yes blacks have it so easy in the United States these days. It's not like the justice system, the education system, employment, are biased against them or anything.

Openly institutionalised bigotry may be gone, but other kinds of bigotry remained at large.
 
taillesskangaru said:
Yes blacks have it so easy in the United States these days. It's not like the justice system, the education system, employment, are biased against them or anything.

Openly institutionalised bigotry may be gone, but other kinds of bigotry remained at large.
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I never said anything of the sort. You are deliberately mischaracterizing my posts to paint me as a racist and discredit me. Nowhere did I say that minorities have it easy. I did say that you can't say things like "blacks are inherently stupid/lazy/good at basketball" without justifiably being criticized for it. Racist jokes and stereotypes are not considered socially acceptable anymore, which is a good thing.

Now, this does not mean that subtle or not-so-subtle, latent discrimination against minorities or women does not exist. It does, and that's wrong and should be combated. It is more difficult for minorities to get jobs, and they get stopped by police more often and face harsher treatment in the judicial system. My grandfather was stopped from time to time at airports for looking Arab (he was Arab), and my black older brother got pulled over by police fairly often. Blacks tend to get longer prison sentences for the same crimes, and police are more likely to suspect and abuse them. And these things are wrong, and should be stopped.


But I'm apparently exactly the same as a Klansman for saying that racism is bad. Okay. Fine. Have it your way. :dunno:
 
Why is that white people when challenged about the inherent injustice of the system towards blacks always think it's really just an attempt to paint them as a racist?

EDIT: Nobodies called you a racist. We just think your view of race relations in the United States is hopelessly optimistic. It's a thing common to a lot of white people, I guess you dudes just lack experience being discriminated against on the basis of one's skin color.

I also applaud TF and Crezth's principled stand with TK and I on this issue.
 
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