Which Civ do you want in Civ V?

[nzk13]

I feel the hebrews should be put in. Can anyone argue that they haven't had a tremendous impact on world history? First off, Jesus was jewish, as were all of the original christians except for luke, who was a doctor lol: think about it, the only one that wasn't jewish was a doctor). Was Christianity influential? if you argue not, get your head examined. The jews were a tremendous power in the middle east during the time of david, and were a true world power during the reign of solomon. The jews controlled so many aspects of world society, even after they were exiled from their land and their temples destroyed. They controlled the arts in germany up until WW2, they controlled the economy throughout the middle ages. Einstein was jewish. Oppenheimer was jewish. So many other great brains were jewish.

Spoiler :

(the reason for that is, through the study ethic that the jews acquired, they passed, in their dna, a genetic memory to their descendants that makes them OCD when it comes to studying.)

Do you really think that they shouldn't be included after all that? I admit, that might sound biased, but still, doesn't it contain a kernel of truth? Anyway, post your ideas for civs you want in civ 5. After all, I believe Firaxis has someone monitoring the Civ5 General Discussions forum, so maybe they'll listen to us.

 

[Zomgmeister]

Can't see any jews neither in Civ III, nor in PtW and Conquests.

Though I suppose they may fit in. Perhaps in a mod or something. Don't have anything against this idea.

On topic: Gran Colombia in some form. Spain and Portugal. And something to fill Australian continent on Earth map.

 

[nzk13]

I though the jews were included in PtW? australia should probably be filled by including netherlands.

 

[Zomgmeister]

It seems to me you were wrong about that, and that link confirms it. It's usually a good idea to double-check before stating anything, no offence meant.

Not sure I understand how does The Netherlands, located in Europe, help to fill Australian vacuum? My knowledge on history of that region is lacking.

 

[nzk13]

because the netherlands colonized australia. Before that it could be populate by minor civs representing the aborigines.

 

[Zomgmeister]

Interesting.

Spoiler :

The first recorded European sighting of the Australian mainland and the first recorded European landfall on the Australian continent both belong to the Dutch navigator Willem Janszoon. He sighted the coast of Cape York Peninsula on an unknown date in early 1606. On 26 February 1606, he made landfall at the Pennefather River on the western shore of Cape York, near the modern town of Weipa. During the 17th century the Dutch charted the whole of the western and northern coastlines of what they called New Holland but made no attempt at settlement. In 1770 James Cook sailed along and mapped the east coast of Australia, which he named New South Wales and claimed for Great Britain. Cook's discoveries prepared the way for establishment of a new penal colony. The British Crown Colony of New South Wales began a settlement at Port Jackson by Captain Arthur Phillip on 26 January 1788. This date was later to become Australia's national day, Australia Day. Van Diemen's Land, now known as Tasmania, was settled in 1803 and became a separate colony in 1825. The United Kingdom formally claimed the western part of Australia in 1829.

Separate colonies were created from parts of New South Wales: South Australia in 1836, Victoria in 1851, and Queensland in 1859. The Northern Territory was founded in 1911 when it was excised from South Australia. South Australia was founded as a "free province"—that is, it was never a penal colony. Victoria and Western Australia were also founded "free" but later accepted transported convicts. The transportation of convicts to the colony of New South Wales ceased in 1848 after a campaign by the settlers.

Can't see anything about Australia being colonized by dutch, only about being found by them first. Australians speak english language, they have Queen Elizabeth II on their 5 dollar banknote. And they seem to be colonized by Great Britain.

And even if they weren't, it makes no sense for The Netherlands to start in Australia.

Though I agree with your statement about minor nations, representing natives. Done on this, then.

 

[sophie]

On topic: Gran Colombia in some form. Spain and Portugal. And something to fill Australian continent on Earth map.

Well, the concept of city states makes for a potentially more interesting Africa/Americas/Australia, even without a major civ in Australia.

This way, rather than as in Civ4 bowling over a paper tiger Aztec, you have to deal with a complex web of alliances/small nations. I imagine it could be similar with Australia, which could be pretty sweet!

 

[nzk13]

I never said start in australia, i said minor civs representing aborigines starting in australia. With the dutch and english vying for control.

 

[civ_king]

I feel the hebrews should be put in. Can anyone argue that they haven't had a tremendous impact on world history? First off, Jesus was jewish, as were all of the original christians except for luke, who was a doctor lol: think about it, the only one that wasn't jewish was a doctor). Was Christianity influential? if you argue not, get your head examined. The jews were a tremendous power in the middle east during the time of david, and were a true world power during the reign of solomon. The jews controlled so many aspects of world society, even after they were exiled from their land and their temples destroyed. They controlled the arts in germany up until WW2, they controlled the economy throughout the middle ages. Einstein was jewish. Oppenheimer was jewish. So many other great brains were jewish.

Spoiler :

(the reason for that is, through the study ethic that the jews acquired, they passed, in their dna, a genetic memory to their descendants that makes them OCD when it comes to studying.)

Do you really think that they shouldn't be included after all that? I admit, that might sound biased, but still, doesn't it contain a kernel of truth? Anyway, post your ideas for civs you want in civ 5. After all, I believe Firaxis has someone monitoring the Civ5 General Discussions forum, so maybe they'll listen to us.

Due to the persecution the suffered they were shunted into jobs that allowed them to capitalize on later like goldsmith and banking and tailoring not due to genetics,

If I were following your logic Indian (real ones) are the superior ethnicity in the US, LOLZ,

(If Christians ever attack you for being Jewish I advise you to hide in a Catholic Church)

Well, the concept of city states makes for a potentially more interesting Africa/Americas/Australia, even without a major civ in Australia.

This way, rather than as in Civ4 bowling over a paper tiger Aztec, you have to deal with a complex web of alliances/small nations. I imagine it could be similar with Australia, which could be pretty sweet!

ooh political intrigue *rubs hands in delight*

 

[nzk13]

what do you mean, what's so special about people from india?

 

[Zomgmeister]

This way, rather than as in Civ4 bowling over a paper tiger Aztec, you have to deal with a complex web of alliances/small nations. I imagine it could be similar with Australia, which could be pretty sweet!

ooh political intrigue *rubs hands in delight*

Bring more cannons, problem solved!

Though if it will indeed be possible to destroy mesoamerican native empires with Cortez-like small invading force, backed up by local indians as meatshields, then it would be beyond awesome.

And I really hope that in average game on Earth map, history in general will repeat, well, history. Not counting drastic interference of competent human player, of course. I mean that I don't want to meet Aztec caravels at my Spanish shores.

Random map is free game for everyone, of course. But I really do care about Earth maps.

 

[Virote_Considon]

You're not going to be seeing Israel, you'll be seeing Palestine instead...


Two civs I'd like to see are the Hittites and the Scythians, but I know they have no chance of getting in

 

[nzk13]

I mean the ancient state, not the modern one. They have nothing to do with each other, except for location, location, location; as Xienwolf would say.

 

[civ_king]

what do you mean, what's so special about people from india?

Indian Americans have the highest educational qualifications of all national origin groups in the United States. According to the American Association of Physicians of Indian Origin, there are close to 35,000 Indian American doctors [16]. According to the 2000 census, about 64% of Indian Americans have attained a Bachelor's degree or more.[4](compared to 28% nationally, and 44% average for all Asian American groups). Almost 40% of all Indians have a master’s, doctorate or other professional degree, which is five times the national average. (Source: The Indian American Centre for Political Awareness.) These high levels of education have enabled Indian Americans to become a productive segment of the American population, with 72.3% participating in the U.S. work force, of which 57.7% are employed in managerial and professional specialties.[17]

We Indians are smart too

 

[nzk13]

We Indians are smart too

I mean the jews, throughout history in general. Most of history, the indians were a bunch of barbarians. And the Indian government is not, shall we say, super-organized.

 

[Zomgmeister]

Most of history, the indians were a bunch of barbarians.

Facepalm. India housed some of most ancient civilizations in the world, which carried their historical heritage for several thousand years, up to modern day. There already was established society there, when majority of the world was, pretty much, in stone age.

 

[cybrxkhan]

This is very rude of me to say, but saying that the Indians were a bunch of barbarians is like saying that the Chinese were a bunch of savages. Please read more on history before saying comments like that.

 

[civ_king]

We barbaric Indians apologize for inventing worthless things like
Chess,
Ironsmithing,
wootz steel,
furnaces,
hospitals,
Fibre Optics,
Indoor Plumbing,
Artillery,
Urban Planning,
Numbers, (decimals, 0, Algebraic Notation)
Veterinary Medicine,

@cybrxkhan, very true, China and India were very civilized

 

[cybrxkhan]

Actually they were talking about American Indians, not Indian Indians. Still, the American Indians - which is in my opinion the most obsolete of the terms to refer to the Native Americans and Ameridinians - did have their achievements do.

 

[civ_king]

Actually they were talking about American Indians, not Indian Indians. Still, the American Indians - which is in my opinion the most obsolete of the terms to refer to the Native Americans and Ameridinians - did have their achievements do.

Actually I believe we were talking about real Indians (snips of posts

Indian (real ones)

what's so special about people from india?

Then I posted Census about people from India

I mean the jews, throughout history in general. Most of history, the indians were a bunch of barbarians. And the Indian government is not, shall we say, super-organized.

So I do believe we were talking about Indians not Native Americans