Well to answer this question let's take a look at all the civs individually, shall we?
America - Abraham Lincoln is a deserving third leader..I know some don't believe some civilizations should have three leaders while others remain with one, but Lincoln will register few complaints from me.
Arabs - One of the civilizations most needing a second leader. Harun al-Rashid seems to be the most likely choice given his notoriety in the Western world. However, it looks unlikely another Arab leader was included in BtS, and either way Saladin isn't an unpleasant enough leader that another Arab leader is an essential addition.
'Umar (a.k.a. Omar), the Second Caliph, was an exceptionally able ruler, and by all accounts a good and righteous man. He was also a very skilful warrior. What about a warlike leader who is also financially gifted and honourable? Who gives you fair warning and so forth? I bet they could do that.
Aztecs - Montezuma's a nutjob, but does anyone else see another Aztec leader worthy of being added to combat Montezuma's aggressiveness? Two Aztec leaders doesn't seem like a viable development..seems like they just added Pacal & the Mayas, nothing wrong with that...
I *hate* Montezuma, but it is good to have some leaders to really hate.
Carthage - To be honest I don't ever see Carthage getting a second leader. There's simply no one known well enough outside of Hannibal to warrant a second leader. Some cases are made for Dido, but honestly Carthage doesn't need another leader as much as many other civilizations.
China - Personally, I think that if a civilization deserves to have three leaders, it's China. How many other civilizations have had such a domineering on the Earth for so long? Yeah, basically China is the epitome of a legendary civilization. There's no shortage of candidates between Qin Shi Huang and Mao.
Wang Mang,
Xuanzong, Wu Di, Kangxi, and Wu Zetian are the ones that immediately sprang to my mind.
I agree about Carthage, though I wouldn't be too upset if Dido were included. Among the many Chinese candidates, I'd opt for the Empress Wu. And vote to remove Mao from the game.
Celts -Well we were all visibly surprised with the addition of Boedica, with the dreaded (Agg/Cha) combo, to compound matters. The Celts are arguably the most marginal "civilization" to be included in the series so far, I along with many others would rather have had a 2nd leader for Japan or Spain.
If there has to be a second Celtic leader, my vote goes to Vercingetorix.
Egypt - Like most, I feel two leaders are good enough for them...and I don't want Cleopatra again.
I absolutely agree. Cleopatra wasn't Egyptian; she as a Hellenistic ruler.
France - Certainly a candidate for three leaders, there's no shortage of candidates here either. Charles de Gaulle, Charlemagne, personally I would love Cardinal Richelieu...but please, no Joan of Arc. But in terms of priorities, a second leader for Spain and/or Japan is likely more important....
Joan of Arc was a great leader, but Charlemagne would make more sense. It is true that his native tongue was Frankish, a Germanic language, but he did preside over a country where the majority language was Old French, and that's what his descendants spoke as well.
Germany - Probably fine with two leaders, if they were to add another one it would probably be one of the Holy Roman emperors of medieval times, not Hitler, but it's not imperative that the Germans have a third leader.
If a third German leader is needed, I think Frederick Barbarossa would be the obvious choice.
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Japan - We damn near sure all want another Japanese leader, I don't think I need to explain why Tokugawa sucks (as an AI opponent). I'd prefer Meiji to Hirohito, the rise of Japan to an industrial power needs to be covered, and Meiji obviously is crucial to that rise.
Meiji is a good suggestion, I think.
Korea - Quite frankly, I'd prefer to have a civilization from Southeast Asia than a 2nd Korean leader (Sejong the Great?), and unless you're Korean, you probably think so too.
I agree. I think the Khmer should be included in the game. I bet it has already happened.
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Persia - ...Persia should have gotten a second leader! The only question is whether it should be Xerxes or Darius (hint: the latter), but with the addition of Suleiman we're probably not getting another leader for Persia. Oh well, Cyrus is a good enough guy...
I agree, and in that case, it should be Dareios, Khosroes (who beat the holy howling tar out of the Eastern Roman Emopire in the 6th century) or Agha Mohammed, who in 1795 restored order in Persia and founded a dynasty that lasted until 1795. He brought about some badly needed reforms. Charismatic and Protective?
Spain - Next to Greece and Japan probably the civilization in most dire need of a fresh presence. I wonder how the real-life Isabella would feel if told that 500 years in the future she would be hated for being an obsessive Buddhist. The only problem is that Spain doesn't really have any more notable leaders for another leader. Charles I, Phillip II, Francisco Franco are some of the names tossed out, but none of them really did that much...but one should be added because Isabella is such a pain to deal with.
ROTFL. My comments about Montezuma also apply to Isabella. And it is very hard to find an important Spanish ruler who was not a religious fanatic. As for Franco, he was not a great leader - just a little fascist git. Incidentally, I agree with those who would take Mao and Stalin out of the game. Both countries can claim better leaders, to put it mildly.
But we know we have been given Lincoln, Pericles, Suleiman, & Boedica. My only hope is that the last two are for Japan and Spain, because those two civilizations need new faces in a bad way. I'm tired of seeing Tokugawa at the bottom of the scoreboard and having Isabella annoyed with me.
I disagree. Keep them in! They are good for the blood pressure.
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Just for my own personal interest, what country are you in?
Here we try not to piss other people off, otherwise, welcome. Now anyway, back to civs.
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