Which Current Civs Need New Leaders?

Kal-el

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Some of the leaders that they have chosen to represent the Civs just don't jive. They were either never leaders of their civilization, e.g. Joan of Arc, do not represent the civilization at its true height, Mao, or never heald any true political power and are way too peace loving, Ghandi. I am sure there are others that people would like to see changed as well.

I would like to see new Leaders for:
China - Ming Tai Zu - also known as Zhu Yuanzhang - established the Ming Dynasty in 1368, with his capital city first in Nanjing and later in Beijing. Zhu Yuanzhang was historically known as Emperor Taizu. The Ming Dynasty was the last native Chinese dynasty to rule the empire.

For more information on the Ming Dynasty

France - Charlemagne - During his reign, Charlemagne built a kingdom that included almost all of western and central Europe and he presided over a cultural and legal revival that came to be known as the Carolingian Renaissance. His empire did not long survive his death, but its two main territories, East and West Francia, later became the major parts of two important European entities: West Francia became modern-day France, and East Francia became first the Holy Roman Empire and then the modern state of Germany. Charlemagne's close alliance with the popes, the leaders of the Roman Catholic Church, also established a precedent for subsequent ties between medieval popes and kings.

For more information on Charlemagne

IndiaChandragupta (Chandragupta Maurya), founder of the Maurya dynasty and grandfather of Asoka. He conquered the Magadha kingdom (in modern Bihar) and eventually controlled all India N of the Vindhya Hills. or Asoka One of the greatest rulers of ancient India, he brought nearly all India, together with Baluchistan and Afghanistan, under one sway for the first time in history.

For more information on Asoka and Chandragupta
 
Charlemange is a VERY good for the French. Many of the later Frankish kings would work as well- but are more obscure.

How about William for England (thinking William I-- House Norman).
 
The only one of those I've ever heard of was Charlemagne, and I know nothing about him. I think the people they have now are perfect, as they are recognizable to anybody who has ever paid attention in history class. Most people don't get into obscure history about countries other than their own.
 
Can you honestly say cleopatra was the best choice for the leader of the egyptian civilization?
 
How about Tutenkamen for the Egyptians just because he is the most famous of the pharoas, and Winston Churchill for the British.

Also possibly George Washington for the Americans, it can be said that Lincoln is a great leader because of what happened, but what if the war would have been bad.

Pap
 
George Washington wasn't that great; he's only notable because he was the first president, not because of anything special he did. I think Abraham Lincoln is great, but I'd also accept Franklin Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, maybe Jefferson... Give me Kennedy, and I may have to hurt you ;-)

And Cleopatra? Why not, more power to women! :egypt:
 
Not quite Charlemagne but I'd prefer Louis XIV for the FRENCH

For Egypt an actual EGYPYTIAN (not Macedonian like Cleo)
say Thutmosis, Ramses, or even Hatshepsut- we could probably keep the current head then:)

To nitpick Peter the Great for RUSSIA?

Several others for India and China too I'd say.
 
George Washington was a great man, a great general and a great statesman. He was a great president, the perfect man for the job. The country owes a huge debt to him. As the first president ever, in the whole world, as far as I can remember, he had a monumental task on his hands. He had no one to look to for guidance, and had to walk the fine line between being a "king" and being a "commoner". He set the standard by which all other presidents are judged.
 
I'd like to have seen:

Egypt: Ramses II or perhaps Khufu. Besides, Cleopatra was Greek and Egypt became a roman province during her reign... not exactly their finest hour.

France: Louis XIV (fits with France's UU as well). While I can understand suggesting Charlemagne, IMO it was too early in France's history and he was still a little more German than French. In fact the kingdom he rules over occupied the territory that is now known as France, but that's not the same as saying it was France. His kingdom also covered much of what today is Germany so he could just as easily be a German leaderhead.

Russia: Stalin methinks... But then again, he wasn't Russian but rather Georgian.. so maybe Lenin.

India: My vote would be for Asoka who was arguably one of the most enlightened rulers in history. According to legend, he was so appalled at the loss of life caused by his wars that he converted to Buddhism, became a monk for a while, and abolished the death penalty for all but the most serious crimes.
 
China: i would prefer not to use Ming Taizu. yes, Ming Dynasty flourished in terms of porcelain-making and other areas and was the last native Dynasty, but by then, China was already on decline and except for the remarkable reigns of Kangxi, Yongzheng and Qianlong in Qing Dynasty, continued to decline. I would suggest someone from the Han or Tang Dynasty, Tang Gaozu perhaps?

Or Deng Xiaoping for modern China because he truly heralded the era of economic development for modern China, along with his famous quote on cats and mice.


France: Charlemagne sounds fine, but at that time it was still a Frankish kingdom; a discernible French identity as it is now had not existed yet. does anyone buy Charles de Gaulle?

Russia: Peter the Great
 
Senoj,

Your kidding about the Iroquois, right? They populated your home area and everything around it before the Euros came over.

I Changed my mind on Charlemagne, I like Louis XIV.

Ramses would be good for Egypt

Peter the Great for Russia

I don't like the idea of using 20th Century Rulers. But that is just me. It would be very cool if the diplomacy editor allowed for different ruler names for each era. The images wouldn't be a problem but I think you would end up with the same name throughout.
 
France - Charlemagne or Louis XIV
Russia - Peter the Great
Germany - William the Elector (or was it Frederick?) or any of those rulers - William Frederick, William, Frederick, too many...! (just NOT Frederick II)
America - should be taken out of the game
China - one of the actual GOOD rulers from old (I don't know their names - from like 2000BC-1000AD)
India - Gandhi or Chandragupta
Greece - Pericles or Solon
Rome - Marcus Aurelius

I started a thread a while back on this very topic. It's quite long; view it here.
 
I think we can just rename Julius Caesar Augustus Caesar and be done with that. I am trying to come up with some more work for our leader head creators for after they are done with their current projects. :)
 
I don't think Firaxis was choosing great leaders when they chose the Civ Leaders; they were obviously choosing people who are well-known, unique, and were a good representative for that civilization. I think they did a great job; I don't really care for all these obscure people who supposedly did great things. I want to play as people who are *interesting* and unique.
Also, a lot of the leaders were chosen simply for gender equality. I rather like that, since playing as or against some middle-aged male all the time would get rather boring, even if it was historically accurate. Historically accurate... Does that even apply in this game? :crazyeye:
Anyways, there are a few alternate leaders that might work based on the same criteria Firaxis used...

Egypt - Tutankhamen
Well-known, young ruler, unique... Good choice

Ramses
Don't know much about him, but since he's well known, he could be used.

Germany - Hitler
Well, to be honest, when most people think of Germany, this is the guy they think of. Other than him, I can't think of any other Germans who are a household name. Bismarck is kinda obscure, although not as bad as some of the other suggestions.

America
Lots of good choices for America, and none really have a big advantage over the others. Personal preference, I would want Franklin Roosevelt.

England - Winston Churchill
I've always been a big fan of Winston, and he's definitely well-known. Had a unique personality, was a good leader. Queen Elizabeth looks like a zombie...

Russia - Lenin or Stalin
Both would are a bit more well known than the current leader.
 
Originally posted by Kal-el
Senoj,

Your kidding about the Iroquois, right? They populated your home area and everything around it before the Euros came over.
What... Iroquois riding about near Newcastle? Must be the infamous riders of the Toon army raiding those enemys - the Sioux of Sunderland ;)

Seriously though, Senoj's location is Newcastle, NE England.. That's the city of Newcastle in North East England :D
 
:lol: That's funny on so many levels!

Seminole could be an interesting civilization choice come to think of it... Not really a great civilization, but definitely a unique people and ideology behind it.
 
Originally posted by Veera Anlai
Germany - Hitler
Well, to be honest, when most people think of Germany, this is the guy they think of. Other than him, I can't think of any other Germans who are a household name. Bismarck is kinda obscure, although not as bad as some of the other suggestions.

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Russia - Lenin or Stalin
Both would are a bit more well known than the current leader.

I said in my thread - if Firaxis officially added Stalin or Hitler as leaders I'd officially stop playing the game entirely.
 
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