Which leader is a worthy and easy ally?

[halfhalfharp]

We must have found that, over time, the AIs will treat you differently, due to their agendas and government styles.

It is not necessary to please the whole world. But which of them are more easy to form an alliance and which of them like to DoW?

In my opinion: (Assume that you are not warmongering)

Relatively easy to please:
Gitarja- A bit map dependent, but normally no one settles in those small lands, so she is just sweet to please.
Peter- I often develop infrastructures so he often finds my people educated.
Hojo Tokimune- similar to Peter.
Gandhi - I never triggered his agenda, but he is always nice, until he starts to make Nukes

Situational condition to please:
Khmer: If you don't build faith, he dislikes you
Poland: If you don't build faith, she dislikes you
China: Not building wonders will not offend him. But he rarely likes me, don't know why.
Kongo: If you don't build faith, he dislikes you
Spain: If you build faith, he dislikes you.
Germany: It is easy to diverge the envoys to avoid his agenda, but more often, the Suzerain bonus is too sweet.

Harder to please:
Cyrus: When you are not warmongering, it is hard to please him. (But I learn to DoW him at sight now because ancient era has no war penalty)
France: If you meet her early, when Espionage doesnt even exist, she hates you.
Brazil: It is hard not to recruit some great people from time to time. And Brazil AI usually doesn't do well in their game... so he is quite hard to please
Cleopatra: She likes to build a very strong army herself. When you are not placing large effort into unit building, it is hard to please her.
Alexander: When you are not warmongering, it is hard to please him.
Gorgo: When you are not warmongering, it is hard to please him.
Pericles: I don't know how to avoid allying city states when there is only a few in sight. So he is quite hard to please.
Amanitore: I put up a lot of districts but she still doesn't like me... Don't know why.
Victoria: If you don't find her as your neighbor in the first few turns, she hates you.
Norway: When you are an inland country, I can't see why he likes you. But he normally cant build a strong navy too, in many of my games, so one or two battleships already excites him.
Trajan: It is quite hard to brainlessly build tones of settlers like the AI does, so he is not easy to please. Moreover, he is not friendly at all.
Tomyris: She is quite friendly when I don't backstab, but she likes to declare war at me.
Gilgamesh: He is somehow friendly too but it is not easy to find common allies.
Teddy: He is normally in another continent, so I find no reason to settle there. And settling near him will trigger diplomatic draw back as well.

Hard to please, just hard:
Saladin: I don't know how to co-operate his Agenda when he is not sending missionaries to me.
Monty: It is almost impossible to have common luxuries all the time.
John Curtin: When I see him, I expect he will throw me his hat and denounce...

Dangerous civs:
Poland: She is just aggressive. She declared war to me in every era, even she appears friendly.
Tomyris: She is easy to get joint war against you
China: He strangely doesn't like me all the time, even with all the green relationship lines.
Monty: Ximicacan, Ximicacan, Ximicacan!! He will early rush me everytime.
Alexander: It wont take long to see his army on the border if he is near.
Amanitore: It wont take long to see her army on the border if she is near.

 

[Victoria]

Early game civs are completely different to late game civs for alliances.
When playing an aggressive game any darwinist will do
Secondary agendas can make all the difference

 

[halfhalfharp]

Early game civs are completely different to late game civs for alliances.
When playing an aggressive game any darwinist will do
Secondary agendas can make all the difference

I do think early impression is more important. As you see, the diplomatic relationship is accumulative over time.
The more green lines you have, the better the relationship as time rolls on. And vice versa.
Co-orperating with late game agendas is harder to make you ally, as it needs quite a lot of time to rise the relationship.

 

[liv]

So in you poll what is one voting for? I am a bit confused
Gilgamesh is fairly easy to please if you are quick to send envoys, gifts and ask for friendship.
It is worth doing since if you don't he may send warcarts over

 

[halfhalfharp]

So in you poll what is one voting for? I am a bit confused
Gilgamesh is fairly easy to please if you are quick to send envoys, gifts and ask for friendship.
It is worth doing since if you don't he may send warcarts over

Ohhh sorry for the confusion. I meant which civ do you think is more easy to be friend with and wanna ask which civ worth such an effort too.
Indeed, those war carts are scary.

 

[DeutschDachs]

Easiest allies for me seem to be Trajan, Gitarja, and Gandhi.

Of those, Trajan is my guy. He roots for me to continue my "mindless settler spam" and he also builds his Empire. That typically leaves both of us near the top of the leaderboard, able to freely ignore the rest of the peasant Civs.

Strange because in IV and V I hated Rome with a passion since they would always try to war with me

 

[darkace77450]

Trajan: It is quite hard to brainlessly build tones of settlers like the AI does, so he is not easy to please. Moreover, he is not friendly at all.

Trajan is the one leader I can always count on being friendly. I don't settle many cities and I don't conquer other cities unless I'm playing for a domination victory, but I've never had problems expanding my borders and so Trajan's always been chummy with me.

 

[liv]

I have to opposite problem with Trajan. If he starts with 3 settlers and I start with 1. He gets mad quickly

 

[Frostburn]

If I am not warmongering, Teddy usually seems rather easy to please.

 

[blackcatatonic]

Agree with everyone who finds Trajan easy to befriend. He's my Civ BFF. Sometimes he denounces me early if we start close by and compete for city spots but I find him easy to mollify. It's quite refreshing to see an AI that actually likes watching me fill up the map.

 

[Thormodr]

Agree with everyone who finds Trajan easy to befriend. He's my Civ BFF. Sometimes he denounces me early if we start close by and compete for city spots but I find him easy to mollify. It's quite refreshing to see an AI that actually likes watching me fill up the map.

I do love it when he says, “Well done!”

 

[halfhalfharp]

"Your army....(stares downwards ) is too weak"

 

[halfhalfharp]

Agree with everyone who finds Trajan easy to befriend. He's my Civ BFF. Sometimes he denounces me early if we start close by and compete for city spots but I find him easy to mollify. It's quite refreshing to see an AI that actually likes watching me fill up the map.

I do like Trajan, but he doesn't like me

 

[Jackanape]

Tomyris by a mile. She tells you what she expects up front, and is easy to please. Probably my favorite civ to find next door.

 

[Karpius]

It seems no matter who I play, Cleo is easy enough to form a lasting friendship with. Gitarja, however, only seems friendly when I play Trajan or Teddy.

I often play Victoria, but find her to be a cold fish when I play against her.

Catherine is a backstabber, and John Curtain is fickle.

The others all seem much more situational in my opinion.

 

[Sagax]

Isn’t “Catherine is hard to befriend” debunked?

Her agenda is actually tied to diplomatic visibility, so any non-Spy means to increase it will count. I’ve never had trouble with pleasing her in this regard - she can hate me for a million other reasons, but her primary agenda is rarely one of them.

 

[Archon_Wing]

Gilgamesh, because he likes friends, so it snowballs. Can be a problem if you want to fight with his friends

Trajan, because the game favors going wide. He might hate you at the start though.

Cleopatra, because big army is important anyways. She may hate you at the start.

Catherine, because it's about sending delegations and trade routes, not just spies. But once you have spies it usually gets even better.

Harald and Qin can be situational friends as well, depending on if you want to build boats and not build wonders. Of course, if Qin is doing poorly, he may just hate you. Peter will tend to like you better on lower difficulties, while Qin and Pedro will most likely like you as difficulties increase.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Gilgamesh, because he likes friends, so it snowballs. Can be a problem if you want to fight with his friends

Yeah it's a weird one. He likes people he likes. You don't say?

 

[Quis]

The best experiences in terms of alliances I have done with CdM and Gitarja.

 

[Morningcalm]

I note that some of the options in this poll, like China, are civs, not leader names. Please fix that.