nihil8r
space . . . madness
i mean, seriously.
Which would be your choice to replace the F-15 as the American UU?
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ybbor
Will not change his avata
most of those are either bad, not balenced, or have incorrect stats for the unit they replace, my vote is for the minuteman, 2.4.2, to help shift armies in the event of a sudden war one an inconvienent part of the empire
EDIT: yeah, i like the b-52 idea
EDIT: yeah, i like the b-52 idea
troytheface
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america...B52 or Space shuttle. the real unique units of America.
nihil8r
space . . . madness
well ... *I* think they're balanced. hmph. i mean we are talking about a replacement to the F-15 ... the worst part of civ 3. ya know? 
Toaae
Rogue
Of those listed, I'd say the SEALs.
But I think in CivIV they should give 2 or 3 UU.
America:
Minute Man
SEAL
F-15 (or something)
Rome:
Legionairre
(something else)
Modern Legionairre (what if Rome had made it to the modern age)
Byzantines:
Dromon
Cataphract (replaces knight)
(something else)
ect, ect, ect
But I think in CivIV they should give 2 or 3 UU.
America:
Minute Man
SEAL
F-15 (or something)
Rome:
Legionairre
(something else)
Modern Legionairre (what if Rome had made it to the modern age)
Byzantines:
Dromon
Cataphract (replaces knight)
(something else)
ect, ect, ect
In my opinion, a good UU would be minuteman to replace the rifleman (or musketman). It would be weaker than the rifleman (or musketman), but it would be a lot cheaper, allowing much quicker building (ready at a minutes' notice). This would make the Americans a much better race because they would get their UU during their industrial age (making them a much better civ to use).
Why not the Abrams tanks or Bradley?
Abrams (24, 20, 3), remembers rumors about T-72 or is it 55 shells bouncing off the M1's armor
Bradley (14, 18, 2), bradley has TOW, so same at least same att as TOW Inf.
Well, I know the British has the Challenger, the Germans the Leopard, etc
but there is also the Tornado and now the Eurofighter, etc
Abrams (24, 20, 3), remembers rumors about T-72 or is it 55 shells bouncing off the M1's armor
Bradley (14, 18, 2), bradley has TOW, so same at least same att as TOW Inf.
Well, I know the British has the Challenger, the Germans the Leopard, etc
but there is also the Tornado and now the Eurofighter, etc
I agree full heartedlly ;goodjob:
Fanny Brice
Prince
Some good ideas.
Not the SEAL -- SEALs have a different connatation as you get with Marines (like storming a Pacific beach). SEALS are small squads -- they would need some sort of stealth ability (maybe in Civ 4 we'll get commando and querrila type units).
All good ideas -- but people would still carp about most of them coming late in the game or not very functional. I voted Tomahawk.
Not the SEAL -- SEALs have a different connatation as you get with Marines (like storming a Pacific beach). SEALS are small squads -- they would need some sort of stealth ability (maybe in Civ 4 we'll get commando and querrila type units).
All good ideas -- but people would still carp about most of them coming late in the game or not very functional. I voted Tomahawk.
Zarn
Le Républicain Catholique
Minuteman! Minuteman! Minuteman!
I already modded them into my game.
I already modded them into my game.
Justus II
General Staff
I would go for either a minuteman or the Supercarrier. Most of the units you talk about are not really unique to the U.S. (even the F15 isn't unique, really, just arguably one of the best jet fighters). B52 wasn't unique, USSR had long-range strategic bombers. Same with Flying Fortress. Tomahawk is just a cruise missile, several other countries have them, they just don't use them as often as we do 
The only truly unique units are the super carriers and Stealth Fighters/Bombers, which we alone have, but are included as a kind of 'future tech' that anyone could develop.
Carriers would be a good choice, as no one else even comes close, since WWII most countries have one or 2 carriers at most, and even then only carry a small squadron of planes (12-24 aircraft), whereas our Nimitz-Class and newer carry 72-100+ aircraft. Also, they certainly are a symbol of American power, and coincide with the "Golden Age" of Pax Americana, and are one of the main reasons we are able to project power around the world. Disadvantages are, of course, it would be even harder to trigger a GA than with the F15, and they would be of limited use on a pangea-type map.
Minuteman would be a good one also, as it would probably better replicate the "rise" of america in the early industrial. I would make it a variant Rifleman, and would trigger a GA right around the introduction of Steam Power and Industrialism (Industrial Revolution coinciding with America's westward expansion), very useful, and no other UUs in that time frame. Probably either standard stats, but cheaper (70?). Not really much advantage, a little cheaper upgrade, but then you pay more to upgrade to infantry. I would increase the attack, either 5-6-1 or even 6-6-1 (Guerilla stats) and defensive bombard (First shot since they were expert at ambushes). A good all-around unit, not resource dependent, and draftable, which does replicate the "minute's notice" idea. Actually I really like the 6-6-1, basically an early Guerilla, which they were, to an extent, but draftable and upgradeable into infantry. Pretty historical, and since it is modeled on an existing unit, just earlier, it shouldn't be too unbalancing.
The only truly unique units are the super carriers and Stealth Fighters/Bombers, which we alone have, but are included as a kind of 'future tech' that anyone could develop. Carriers would be a good choice, as no one else even comes close, since WWII most countries have one or 2 carriers at most, and even then only carry a small squadron of planes (12-24 aircraft), whereas our Nimitz-Class and newer carry 72-100+ aircraft. Also, they certainly are a symbol of American power, and coincide with the "Golden Age" of Pax Americana, and are one of the main reasons we are able to project power around the world. Disadvantages are, of course, it would be even harder to trigger a GA than with the F15, and they would be of limited use on a pangea-type map.
Minuteman would be a good one also, as it would probably better replicate the "rise" of america in the early industrial. I would make it a variant Rifleman, and would trigger a GA right around the introduction of Steam Power and Industrialism (Industrial Revolution coinciding with America's westward expansion), very useful, and no other UUs in that time frame. Probably either standard stats, but cheaper (70?). Not really much advantage, a little cheaper upgrade, but then you pay more to upgrade to infantry. I would increase the attack, either 5-6-1 or even 6-6-1 (Guerilla stats) and defensive bombard (First shot since they were expert at ambushes). A good all-around unit, not resource dependent, and draftable, which does replicate the "minute's notice" idea. Actually I really like the 6-6-1, basically an early Guerilla, which they were, to an extent, but draftable and upgradeable into infantry. Pretty historical, and since it is modeled on an existing unit, just earlier, it shouldn't be too unbalancing.
Originally posted by Justus II
I would go for either a minuteman or the Supercarrier. Most of the units you talk about are not really unique to the U.S. (even the F15 isn't unique, really, just arguably one of the best jet fighters). B52 wasn't unique, USSR had long-range strategic bombers. Same with Flying Fortress. Tomahawk is just a cruise missile, several other countries have them, they just don't use them as often as we do
Carriers would be a good choice, as no one else even comes close, since WWII most countries have one or 2 carriers at most, and even then only carry a small squadron of planes (12-24 aircraft), whereas our Nimitz-Class and newer carry 72-100+ aircraft. Also, they certainly are a symbol of American power, and coincide with the "Golden Age" of Pax Americana, and are one of the main reasons we are able to project power around the world. Disadvantages are, of course, it would be even harder to trigger a GA than with the F15, and they would be of limited use on a pangea-type map.
Minuteman would be a good one also, as it would probably better replicate the "rise" of america in the early industrial. I would make it a variant Rifleman, and would trigger a GA right around the introduction of Steam Power and Industrialism (Industrial Revolution coinciding with America's westward expansion), very useful, and no other UUs in that time frame. Probably either standard stats, but cheaper (70?). Not really much advantage, a little cheaper upgrade, but then you pay more to upgrade to infantry. I would increase the attack, either 5-6-1 or even 6-6-1 (Guerilla stats) and defensive bombard (First shot since they were expert at ambushes). A good all-around unit, not resource dependent, and draftable, which does replicate the "minute's notice" idea. Actually I really like the 6-6-1, basically an early Guerilla, which they were, to an extent, but draftable and upgradeable into infantry. Pretty historical, and since it is modeled on an existing unit, just earlier, it shouldn't be too unbalancing.
Well said. Regarding the supercarriers triggering a GA, I'd vote for a GA being triggered when an aircraft based on the supercarrier successfully attacks a land/sea target or shoots down another aircraft. I suppose that would be a bit of programming, though.
Commander Bello
Say No 2 Net Validations
From the selection of proposals, I voted for the supercarrier.
I was expecting to find the minuteman.
But *my* proposal would be..... COWBOY !
This unit would come early enough, is really unique to the US and known all over the world. So, how could you imagine a better UU for the US?
... well, just while typing, of course you could replace the COWBOY with the US Cavalry
Comes everytime very late, but still just in time, has those nice trumpeteer riding next to the flag and the captain, and would offer John Wayne as leaderhead.
I was expecting to find the minuteman.
But *my* proposal would be..... COWBOY !
This unit would come early enough, is really unique to the US and known all over the world. So, how could you imagine a better UU for the US?
... well, just while typing, of course you could replace the COWBOY with the US Cavalry
Comes everytime very late, but still just in time, has those nice trumpeteer riding next to the flag and the captain, and would offer John Wayne as leaderhead.
Lumin
Niman of Draconis
lol cowboy. Now thats a good one for them. (I voted for Seals)
nihil8r
space . . . madness
yeah that 6-6-1 minuteman idea is totally awesome. good thinking!
