Ivan the Kulak
King
I would say Minuteman, same stats as musketman, 2 move points, cost 50.
Which would be your choice to replace the F-15 as the American UU?
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sealman
Hater of Babylonians
of the ones listed I would go with the seal for a couple of reasons:
1) I am adverse to having a UU that was not a land unit. just my preference due to the way that naval and air warfare is protrayed
2) I am the sealman so it only goes to figure that I would want the seal.
EDIT:
I like the minute man idea.
1) I am adverse to having a UU that was not a land unit. just my preference due to the way that naval and air warfare is protrayed
2) I am the sealman so it only goes to figure that I would want the seal.
EDIT:
I like the minute man idea.
globester
prof. donkey masseur
well, none of america's units are really unique, like seals, it's from the sas
marines, english, the netherlands had those etc.
they just bring it in huge amounts
i voted for the seal, because i think that would be the most fitting
marines, english, the netherlands had those etc.
they just bring it in huge amounts
i voted for the seal, because i think that would be the most fitting
Michael York
On Sabatical from Civ
umm, the flying fortress was a real world UU. The FF was the B-17, WWII heavy bomber. Only one other nation had heavy bombers, the UK, and they didn't have the numbers or armerment per plane.
The Soviets failed to produce a single heavy bomber during the war. It also took them forever to complete an intercontinental bomber (the Tu-95 Bear).
A heavy bomber for the US that replaces the current bomber (which is a US plane). It would be far more powerfull and have much better range. It could be a B-17, B-29, B-47, or B-52 in my opinion. Then all we'd need is for the US to get a UU tank too; a historically accurate tank for WWII: 12/4/2 -1hp 50% cheaper.
Edit: maybe 75% cheaper
The Soviets failed to produce a single heavy bomber during the war. It also took them forever to complete an intercontinental bomber (the Tu-95 Bear).
A heavy bomber for the US that replaces the current bomber (which is a US plane). It would be far more powerfull and have much better range. It could be a B-17, B-29, B-47, or B-52 in my opinion. Then all we'd need is for the US to get a UU tank too; a historically accurate tank for WWII: 12/4/2 -1hp 50% cheaper.
Edit: maybe 75% cheaper
nihil8r
space . . . madness
lol -1 hp for the sherman ... hilarious.
Commander Bello
Say No 2 Net Validations
Well, why not?
So I would plea for the Germans to get the Me262 (first jet engine fighter) and of course either the Tiger, Königstiger or Panther as replacement for the awful Panzer.
So I would plea for the Germans to get the Me262 (first jet engine fighter) and of course either the Tiger, Königstiger or Panther as replacement for the awful Panzer.
Sinapus
Defenestrated
There's a Minuteman unit in the Unit Library. Check the directory on that forum.
(There's also the Musket Infantry which looks similar, but it doesn't look so good w/light blue colors. The Minuteman appears to have no set civ coloring, but looks pretty much like historical images of them.)
Eyeoftiger
Warlord
Well, if you want the Seal, you may have to change the stats because in Conquests, the Marine is already a 12.6.1 unit.
What about a 12.6.2 Seal with blitz OR all terrian as roads?
What about a 12.6.2 Seal with blitz OR all terrian as roads?
planetfall
Emperor
Originally posted by Commander Bello
Well, why not?
So I would plea for the Germans to get the Me262 (first jet engine fighter) and of course either the Tiger, Königstiger or Panther as replacement for the awful Panzer.
me262-- let's see what was that. Oh yes,
1- a trash can on bottom,
2- a human sandwiched in the middle and
3- a trash can on the top
4- all riding on a jet engine.
Have you seen one of these babies? They are not much bigger than a mazda miata and a current honda civic is bigger.
But they would have interesting stats. Their defense stats should be 100 based on size and speed. Afraid with their range of 4 tiles they would be about as much help in the game as they were in WWII. With the addition of Flak and SAM's to C3C I don't think they would improve the Luftwaffe too much. The F15 doesn't help Americans much in this game.
But then again, the ME262 would make an interesting human cruise missile. {Since the pilots had such a short life.}Then would be deadly vs bombers and should have super strong attack values, as nothing in their time could touch them. Simply a good idea, too late, with too little funding, etc. Mostly because Hitler wanted bombers and not fighters. The ME262 was not a bomber, regardless of how it was marketed during the war to get funding approved.
Tiger-- that's a different story. I think firaxis was afraid of making the panzer too powerful. It would make sense to have an upgrade from initial panzer to an improved model. I'm not familar with the Koenigstiger or Panther.
Do you have any comparison data on all these 4 tanks? Or a link we can look at?
What would be nice would be an upgrade to panzer between base panzer unit and modern armor.
Actually best UU for Germany would not be a UU but a GW restricted to Germany. Can you imagine the effect of a new GW, 95Thesis, available only to Germany and after year 1517, that once created yields nationalism as automatic free bonus tech in year 1800?
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SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
I choose none of those. I would prefer the F-15 to those. The Minuteman is definetly the best choice for a replacement UU
Kaboth
Prince
You could base a unit on the M1 Abhram tank. A unique modern armor. I can just see the people flocking to play America then
Enkidu Warrior
Ultramagnetic
I say keep the F-15 but make all fighters perform air superiority without needing to be ordered, allowing them to bombard and intercept in the same turn. This would make the F-15 a bit less lame.
Commander Bello
Say No 2 Net Validations
@Planetfall:
You are sure that you didn't mess up the Me262 with the Me163 "Komet"?
The Me163 was rocket-propelled and litarelly a suicide machine. The early version - as far as I remember - even threw off their landing gear for better aerodynamics.
The Me262 was a very fast fighter, armed with four heavy cannons and did prove to be a lethal thread to the allied bomber squadrons. There has been an incident (at Schweinfurt, as far as I remember) when a squadron of Me262's attacked an allied bomber group. The survivors were sent to unplanned vacation, since they were suffering from shock.
It was propelled by two Junkers Jumo jet engines, as far as I remember.
Although, and you're right in that, they were used most times - at least very often - as fighter bomber, which spoiled their superior speed due to bad aerodynamics then.
Additionally, it was invented two years late, since Hitler's doctor convinced him that nobody could survive that enormous speed of more than 850 km/h. Btw, (Chuck Yeager would not like to hear this...) there are reports that decending Me262 have crossed the sound barrier during wartime.
About the tanks I cannot provide you with a link, but the Tiger was equipped with the famous 8.8cannon, which originally was an AA-cannon, but proved to be lethal against tanks.
During the first months of the campaign in the east, the German AA-units took out more Russian tanks (in defense) than the German anti-tank units (at that time often using the 3.7 at-gun, called the "Heeres-Anklopfgerät" = "Army knock-knock machine" could be a translation, from "knocking at s.o.'s door").
The Panther on the other hand was invented, after having won a comparison with captured Russian T-34's. He was equipped with a 7.5 cannon and was regarded as being the best allround Panzer of the German Wehrmacht, although the Tiger and the Königstiger became more famous.
Funny enough, the new founded German Bundeswehr (after 1955) should have used some captured Panthers, but this was cancelled for "political reasons". So they got American tanks in the beginning.
The Königstiger had a modified 8.8-cannon and was regarded superior to any other tank, as he could take out any of them easily - as long as not hit at it's sides. But his front armor was so strong that there are no reports of any tank or anti-tank unit to have taken out a Königstiger when facing it's front.
It's flaws were the under-dimensioned armor at the sides and the under-dimensioned engine. So it was rather slow on the battle-field (this was a problem of the Tiger, as well).
The Königstiger was probably the best defensive tank of the Germans through the whole war.
By the way, all three were invented after 1941. The German army really had inferior tanks, in comparison to French, English and Russian tanks.
What was superior, was the way how they were used.
From the beginning on, the Germans used "command tanks" which were equipped with wireless communication, as were the other tanks of their units. By that, the commanding officer was going to the battle and could give his orders "online". So, the whole tank unit could react much faster than their opponents and for that, could balance their inferior armament and armor.
And about your proposal of the German GW:
I really like this idea. But it would change the German trait to religious, wouldn't it?
You are sure that you didn't mess up the Me262 with the Me163 "Komet"?
The Me163 was rocket-propelled and litarelly a suicide machine. The early version - as far as I remember - even threw off their landing gear for better aerodynamics.
The Me262 was a very fast fighter, armed with four heavy cannons and did prove to be a lethal thread to the allied bomber squadrons. There has been an incident (at Schweinfurt, as far as I remember) when a squadron of Me262's attacked an allied bomber group. The survivors were sent to unplanned vacation, since they were suffering from shock.
It was propelled by two Junkers Jumo jet engines, as far as I remember.
Although, and you're right in that, they were used most times - at least very often - as fighter bomber, which spoiled their superior speed due to bad aerodynamics then.
Additionally, it was invented two years late, since Hitler's doctor convinced him that nobody could survive that enormous speed of more than 850 km/h. Btw, (Chuck Yeager would not like to hear this...) there are reports that decending Me262 have crossed the sound barrier during wartime.
About the tanks I cannot provide you with a link, but the Tiger was equipped with the famous 8.8cannon, which originally was an AA-cannon, but proved to be lethal against tanks.
During the first months of the campaign in the east, the German AA-units took out more Russian tanks (in defense) than the German anti-tank units (at that time often using the 3.7 at-gun, called the "Heeres-Anklopfgerät" = "Army knock-knock machine" could be a translation, from "knocking at s.o.'s door").
The Panther on the other hand was invented, after having won a comparison with captured Russian T-34's. He was equipped with a 7.5 cannon and was regarded as being the best allround Panzer of the German Wehrmacht, although the Tiger and the Königstiger became more famous.
Funny enough, the new founded German Bundeswehr (after 1955) should have used some captured Panthers, but this was cancelled for "political reasons". So they got American tanks in the beginning.
The Königstiger had a modified 8.8-cannon and was regarded superior to any other tank, as he could take out any of them easily - as long as not hit at it's sides. But his front armor was so strong that there are no reports of any tank or anti-tank unit to have taken out a Königstiger when facing it's front.
It's flaws were the under-dimensioned armor at the sides and the under-dimensioned engine. So it was rather slow on the battle-field (this was a problem of the Tiger, as well).
The Königstiger was probably the best defensive tank of the Germans through the whole war.
By the way, all three were invented after 1941. The German army really had inferior tanks, in comparison to French, English and Russian tanks.
What was superior, was the way how they were used.
From the beginning on, the Germans used "command tanks" which were equipped with wireless communication, as were the other tanks of their units. By that, the commanding officer was going to the battle and could give his orders "online". So, the whole tank unit could react much faster than their opponents and for that, could balance their inferior armament and armor.
And about your proposal of the German GW:
I really like this idea. But it would change the German trait to religious, wouldn't it?
I like the flying fortress idea, because it was unique in its time, not like, for example, the abhram, that was developed only because of the technological advances archieved during the cold war, and I think that aný country that coud had gone trough that may have developed a tank like that. The flying fortress was developed only by the US in a period when everybody had the same technology and this makes it an US archievement only
lbhhh
King
Right on !
IMO the Flying Fortress would be a great UU, with a defense of 4 it could hold its own vs fighters. And since bombers now have lethal bombard it would be easy to trigger the GA...
Production of the well-known B-17 Flying Fortress was DWARFED by the production of the B-24 Liberator. The B-24 was not extremely survivable; it lit up like a match. But it was cheaper to produce than the B-17, and carried a comparable payload (about 2-1/2 to 3 tons).
Master_Debater
Chieftain
Hippies.
I'm not sure how they would work, though.....
I'm not sure how they would work, though.....
