Whose idea was it to make Queen Boudica aggressive AND charismatic?

[Mango]

Seriously, if this isn't about the most broken possible thing to happen since someone though it would be a good idea to make Praets 8 strength.

Aggressive AND charasmatic means by the time you reach feudalism you can be whipping out units with combat 1, CR1, CR2 and CR3 (barracks +3, theocracy +2, vassalege +2, settled GG +2). The only thing that balances this is the fact that the Celts UU and UB both suck, but what does it matter when you don't get past the middle ages in every game because you're starting with 4 promotions right out of the gate?

 

[NYHunter]

I like it. Fighting an AI Celts on a high difficulty level will be interesting.

 

[Revolutionary]

Its not that powerful, Boudica will end up backward like Shaka, she'll have an elite army but it will be smaller than say...an organized or financial civ. Hannibal will still be the best warmongering leader, as he has the quick promotions and the money to pay for the large army and research, also better UU.

Still I look forward to crushing my enemies with Boudica

 

[Tee Kay]

For some reason Shaka always end up at the top of the tech ladder in my games...

 

[alexman]

Mine...

 

[Methos]

Whose idea was it to make Queen Boudica aggressive AND charismatic?

Mine...

But you never thought you'd actually get an answer to your question!

 

[PimpyMicPimp]

Your balancing point isn't all that valid anymore You can have any Civ/Leader combo.

I'm definatly going for some Boudica/Roman fun!

 

[diablodelmar]

I am slightly concerned at her appearance...

 

[HourlyDaily]

I'm definatly going for some Boudica/Roman fun!

There's something really wrong with that sentence, historically.

 

[Bongo-Bongo]

I don't think the AGG, CHAR combo is as powerful as many seem to think it is. You might be able to get strong units very quickly, but if you don't use them, then you have two traits that are completely worthless. If you do use your units, then with the increased likelyhood of capturing cities, there is a strong chance that you will end up in an economic quagmire, and with no economic traits, and a UB designed to improve your archery units, you might find yourself falling behindeveryone else.

Also, IMO, these are probably the two traits that fit Boudica best.

 

[NYHunter]

I am sure they balanced it out somehow for those people who always have to complain.

 

[marioflag]

I don't think there is anything to balance..Celts coupled with Aztecs were among the weakest civs, considering also that Brennus has a nice pair of traits Spi/Cha.
Celts have an average if not weak UU and have an UB which is a total crap, a nice pair of trait will only balance that weakness.
If you compare Boudicca with Hannibal i think it will be hard to say that Boudicca is OP, Hannibal has among the best pairs of trait, one of the most powerful UU and a good UB.......i would always choose Hannibal over Boudicca

 

[TheLastOne36]

Well ask yourself. Who's idea is it to change Augusta's Traits?

Who's idea to add HRE?

Who's idea to add "Native America"

 

[Gaius Octavius]

Guys, about the economic woes with Boudicca, you're forgetting one important (and very 'Boudiccan') thing:

You don't have to capture cities. You can raze them. And I suspect Boudicca, with her historical past in mind, will have a higher city raze prob than most others. You can therefore grind your enemies into dust without corrupting your own economy. On a pangaea map, this could spell doom for everybody.

 

[El Koeno]

But still: getting those uner-units people are worried about, would require a total commitment to warfare. Everything from civics-choice to city placement would have to be devoted to that sole purpose.

It would basically mean that you'd have to keep razing cites, just for the gold income, which in turn would mean you're doomed as soon as you run into a sufficiently advanced civ.

She's powerful when played right, but there's nothing wrong with that, certainly in single player.

 

[Mango]

You don't need financial or organized to build a strong and vast empire. Just raze all of the weak cities and take capitals. Use a capital to make a GPF and set it to pop Great Artists. When you take capitals, culture bomb them so you can work them right away and then raze all the surrounding cities unless they're profitable (lots of tradable resources, gold or developed cottages) and let your culture bomb fill in the gaps.

You don't even need to be sufficiently technologically advanced. All you have to do is beeline bronze working, hook up copper, axe rush someone, grab your GG, identify a production city and settle him there (along with barracks), chop the Oracle, grab Theology, switch to Theocracy, hook up iron once you get it and YOU ARE PUMPING OUT CR-3 SWORDS. 2 CR-3 swords will beat Longbows most days I believe, and you don't even need cats yet. With Boudica you will just be building troops and rushing capitals. If you get Feudalism early you can start grabbing vassals to make it go faster. I imagine a properly skilled player could probably win domination with her extremely early before the tech disparity gets too out of hand.

The ONLY problem with Boudica is if you're isolated, as she will be THE WORST builder by far. Aggressive and Charismatic only help with the +1 happiness for Charismatic and +1 happiness from the Monument. The UB does nothing for the economy and the UU comes too early in the game to benefit an isolated start. If you have neighbors though...

 

[Big J Money]

The other hindrance to using her in MP is that any player choosing her will have a completely predictable early game strategy.

=$= Big J Money =$=

 

[Riker]

1st: B+pret is not a standard option
2nd: maybe praetorians are nerfed in BTS

So, stop beeching until the game is actually on the shelves...

 

[Thedrin]

Mango:
The ONLY problem with Boudica is if you're isolated, as she will be THE WORST builder by far.

Not necessarily. Because Boudica will have the strongest standard units in the game (joint with Churchill) she doesn't need to build as many units to have as reliable a defence as other civs. That leaves more production free for gold and beaker orientated activites.

Edit: Okay, I missed the isolated part of the quoted statement.

 

[bode404]

Guys, about the economic woes with Boudicca, you're forgetting one important (and very 'Boudiccan') thing:

You don't have to capture cities. You can raze them. And I suspect Boudicca, with her historical past in mind, will have a higher city raze prob than most others. You can therefore grind your enemies into dust without corrupting your own economy. On a pangaea map, this could spell doom for everybody.

And it really makes sense.
Well, I believe she'll be balanced. Running Feudalism and Theocracy for long periods will cripple your economy.
And it's not a very good deal to have an army of Combat 1, CR 3 swords and axes to conquer a couple of neighbours while another civ just finished researching Machinery. And remember that in BtS the AI will try any victory condition.
Anyway, I expect it'll be nice to play with her.