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The only leader head I have a problem with is Qin Shi Huang. Other than that, any complaints I have are minor nit-picking, such as the inaccurate hair colors for Pedro and Philip.
Why are the leader heads so ugly?
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JimmyBanks
Warlord
When I see threads like this it makes me think that the OP came along in Civ V but hasn't played all the other ones. The only game that has tried for realistic graphics was Civ V. All the others were very comical. Does anyone remember Elvis, "Your majesty, the people, they can't help but fall in love with you." It has always been a funny game, Civ V broke that mold a bit. I for one am glad to see it return.
Yes. No amount of brain-bleach can purge skinhead Joan of Arc from my mind, even though I can't remember a single other thing about the game.
It was a very strange feature, and not one I'd care to see return. I mean, I get what they were aiming for, but IMO it didn't work.
durfal
The Dutch Daredevil
I think it's objective, what the OP finds ugly, others think looks great.
Personally I like the new style of the game, the leaders look somewhere between how they look in 4 and 5.
How they they looked and changed there clothes the whole time in civ 3 I never liked.
In 4 they looked a bit too cartoonish for me (giant heads on small bodies).
And in 5 they went for a more realistic look which I never had a problem with. The only problem for me there was that most of the vanilla leaderhead backgrounds felt empty. The DLC and later expansion ones looked way better.
Most leaders that I've seen for civ 6 so far I like a lot, only Pedro feels a bit off, but others seem to like him too, and actually Teddy looks the most realistic now after they trimmed his cheeks a bit (I actually liked the first version better
).
Personally I like the new style of the game, the leaders look somewhere between how they look in 4 and 5.
How they they looked and changed there clothes the whole time in civ 3 I never liked.
In 4 they looked a bit too cartoonish for me (giant heads on small bodies).
And in 5 they went for a more realistic look which I never had a problem with. The only problem for me there was that most of the vanilla leaderhead backgrounds felt empty. The DLC and later expansion ones looked way better.
Most leaders that I've seen for civ 6 so far I like a lot, only Pedro feels a bit off, but others seem to like him too, and actually Teddy looks the most realistic now after they trimmed his cheeks a bit (I actually liked the first version better
).
They all look amazing to me, except for Pedro.
His beard and mustache look too big for his face, his nose too big for his eyes, his hair too big for his forehead.
But his expressions are the worse. He's usually described, portrayed and photographed as a serious, wise and burdened man, but Civ6's Pedro is the very opposite of that, he simply... doesn't inspire any respect.
His beard and mustache look too big for his face, his nose too big for his eyes, his hair too big for his forehead.
But his expressions are the worse. He's usually described, portrayed and photographed as a serious, wise and burdened man, but Civ6's Pedro is the very opposite of that, he simply... doesn't inspire any respect.
stealth_nsk
Deity
Yes, Pedro maybe a bit too much, but all others are cool.
ehecatzin
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Yes. No amount of brain-bleach can purge skinhead Joan of Arc from my mind, even though I can't remember a single other thing about the game.
I can still recall Monty on a bowler hat. The idea of the leaders changing clothes is nice and all, but boy does it fall apart easily.
CornPlanter
Emperor
It's quite fine that they are going with stylized look. But why make them also ugly.
I just hope modders will fix this.
It did work for me.
killmeplease
Mk Z on Steam
i liked civ1 leader screens, very informative: you could figure out the era they're in and their power.
civ6 leaders are great, very artistic. civ5's were quite boring.
civ6 leaders are great, very artistic. civ5's were quite boring.
isau
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I think the leader screens in Civ VI are better than any game of this type I've ever seen.
I personally do wish we'd get the costume changes back. They would work great with 3-D graphics and replaceable parts. But I understand it would mean fewer leaders/civs total so can live without it. Would love to see what a modern Monty or a pre-historic Teddy Roosevelt would look like though.
I personally do wish we'd get the costume changes back. They would work great with 3-D graphics and replaceable parts. But I understand it would mean fewer leaders/civs total so can live without it. Would love to see what a modern Monty or a pre-historic Teddy Roosevelt would look like though.
Lightbrigade43
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The older you get, the less you like change. I'm 72 and I hate the cartoons.
stealth_nsk
Deity
The older you get, the less you like everything, so it's not an indicator. Cartoons are expressive and that's good for a game. You don't need complex mix of emotions, you just need to see pure friendliness, anger, sadness, etc.
Loaf Warden
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I thought having the leaders change appearance based on the era they were in was a neat idea--it could help immersion and give useful information about where your rivals were, relative to you--but it kind of fell apart a bit in the execution. Bald Joan in an "Armée" T-shirt and Hiawatha dressed for the Ren Faire didn't really work. Modders tended to do a better job with it, because most of them paid attention to the clothing styles of the leaders' actual cultures.
Naokaukodem
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The only thing I can say with i've seen so far, it is to say pretty much little, and also positive, is that they aren't slapping heads anymore unlike Civ5. They may be ugly and/or fat, but it's every day life you know.
ehecatzin
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I think the leader screens in Civ VI are better than any game of this type I've ever seen.
I personally do wish we'd get the costume changes back. They would work great with 3-D graphics and replaceable parts. But I understand it would mean fewer leaders/civs total so can live without it. Would love to see what a modern Monty or a pre-historic Teddy Roosevelt would look like though.
We would probably end up with Monty in a suit with feathers sprinkled here and there if we are lucky.
If you go the replacable parts route, you'd have to sacrifice a lot of good design to make it work, as in, take Phillip or Cleopatra for example (arguebly the best designs so far) you'd have to sacrifice a lot of detail on the clothing/armor, to make it modular, then give them diferent hairstyles, and then dial back the animation to the limited range (instead of the gorgeus full animation) so that it works with all the costumes and it doesn't clip, and voila, you are back at Civ 3 restricted animation.
Diferent clothing per era, really isn't worth it.
It's a nice idea, but I think Firaxis went the smarter route by doing good character designs and animating them fully. It's better to make a good leader that really represents its era, (rather than shoehorning him/her into every era).
And now with multiple leaders coming, we may get leaders from diferent eras anyway.
alireza1354
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Modders will soon give us nice realistic static leaderheads, give us cool maps, some cool improvements, civs which werent added but which are very important, and fix other stuff soon.
Dont worry. I see it like firaxis giving us a template thats it.
Dont worry. I see it like firaxis giving us a template thats it.
Gordon Brittas
Blackadder's Half Brother
It could have been worse.
This lady could have been leader of the Celts.
This lady could have been leader of the Celts.
Scaramanga
Brickhead
Maybe Pedro looks off because we have lots of evidence of what he actually looked like; and for some reason they gave him the nose of Richard Nixon. Not unrealistic, but definitely cartoony.
ehecatzin
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Just to provide a visual example, let's place Hojo on the more realistic side, Frederick as a middle ground and Pedro on the cartoony side.
We can sort of imagine Frederick and Hojo being on the same world, and Frederick and Pedro also being able to exist on the same world. But if you pair Hojo and Pedro...it looks really off, mainly due to the proportions.
more realistic.
Stylized middle ground
Full Cartoony
Most of the leaders fall on the more stylized middle ground, with a few a bit more on the realistic side...Tomyris, and Hojo being the less caricatured, but Pedro and Qin, man do they feel out of place with the rest. The Teddy fix bring me a bit hope in that they'll be able to bring those two along with the rest of the leaders style wise.
EDIT: I cropped the images so they are easier to compare.
We can sort of imagine Frederick and Hojo being on the same world, and Frederick and Pedro also being able to exist on the same world. But if you pair Hojo and Pedro...it looks really off, mainly due to the proportions.
more realistic.
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Stylized middle ground
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Full Cartoony
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Most of the leaders fall on the more stylized middle ground, with a few a bit more on the realistic side...Tomyris, and Hojo being the less caricatured, but Pedro and Qin, man do they feel out of place with the rest. The Teddy fix bring me a bit hope in that they'll be able to bring those two along with the rest of the leaders style wise.
EDIT: I cropped the images so they are easier to compare.
