Why do GP farms need minimal population

[CivIVMonger]

Why? If you have more people you get more food more food = more specialists.

 

[Ai Shizuka]

Who said a GP farm needs low pop?
More pop = more specialists = more GP.
Pretty obvious if you ask me.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Ideally you want to be working all 3+ food tiles as long as you have the health for it. It's worth having some production though to build the National Epic and other stuff, you can lay the specialists off while you do that though.

 

[CivIVMonger]

Ideally you want to be working all 3+ food tiles as long as you have the health for it. It's worth having some production though to build the National Epic and other stuff, you can lay the specialists off while you do that though.

Thanks, PS (Paradigm Shifter)

 

[DigitalBoy]

Why? If you have more people you get more food more food = more specialists.

Whoever said that, I think maybe what they meant to say is that cities with high food yield tiles can run the same number of specialists with a smaller population than a city with fairly low food yield tiles, which aside from making the city grow faster and/or run more specialists earlier also cuts down on health problems.

EDIT: Paradigm Shifter also brings up a good point. After you reach the "health cap," there's no point in growing the city if it means working a 3-food tile. The population working the tile consumes 2 food and the extra unhealthiness squanders the remaining 1 food. So this may also possibly be what that person was referring to.

 

[CivIVMonger]

Whoever said that, I think maybe what they meant to say is that cities with high food yield tiles can run the same number of specialists with a smaller population than a city with fairly low food yield tiles, which aside from making the city grow faster and/or run more specialists earlier also cuts down on health problems.

O.K. thanks. It's hard to find a spot that could genarate that much food! Seafood perhaps? Since it's in abundance.

 

[DMOC]

Seafood sites are where I usually put my GP farm, so go there. Captured seafood capitals can really help out in this regard.

 

[capnvonbaron]

O.K. thanks. It's hard to find a spot that could genarate that much food! Seafood perhaps? Since it's in abundance.

you mean like this?

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[Helghallen]

That site is just sick. Sick.

 

[CivIVMonger]

you mean like this?

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Yeah, I was thinking more Archapelago but... Why would you pick your capitol city site as a GP farm.

 

[Izmir Stinger]

Why would you pick your capitol city site as a GP farm.

People in the habit of going after every wonder they can get their hands on often end up with a bunch in the capital, generating 2 GPP each, so that is just how it works out.

 

[DigitalBoy]

Yeah, I was thinking more Archapelago but... Why would you pick your capitol city site as a GP farm.

Capitals are really the only locations where you find that much food clustered together. Besides, what else is he going to do with all that surplus food?

 

[the reverend]

I don't like making my capital as my GP farm, because then you miss out on the and bonuses that bureaucracy provides. I usually put my GP farm in a spot with a lot of floodplains. A farmed floodplain provides 4 food and a commerce point, although they also cause unhealthiness in a city.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Just move the palace then

Or you could run vassalage instead and go breaking heads.

 

[Iranon]

The Great Library is a useful and very achievable wonder on any level, you get 8 Great Scientist points from that alone. That's almost equivalent to 6 grassland farms supporting specialists for 9 population in total. As such, total food available does not matter all that much for a good part of the game; a mix of a few truly great food tiles and enough hammers to build the wonders you want is often best.

Bureaucracy for setting up a wonder-fueled GP farm, then transferring the capital to a commerce city later is often strong because of the way bonuses stack (a +100% hammer bonus turn into +150%, but +100% to something commerce-derived turns into +200%).

If you don't move the capital, collecting all wonders you care for in a single city becomes a little easier thanks to Bureaucracy. If you grow a few specialists, you could use Slavery to get normal infrastructure built and use the regular production/overflow almost entirely on wonders, so the hammer bonus is hardly wasted.

 

[DMOC]

you mean like this?

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That pig should have been moved 1W and that corn be irrigated.

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Seriously, great GP farm.

 

[capnvonbaron]

Even so, the capital was surrounded by primo city sites. I REX'd faster than everyone on the continent and still kept a superb economy going thanks in part to Rag's financial trait and lots of trading posts. Also a crapload of juiced-up privateers looting DeGualle and Victoria for everything they were worth That game still holds top score on my HoF. IIRC it ended in a domination win in the early 1900s after vassaling Mao, Zara, and Hattie (who never once went below polite and gladly knelt before Ragnar () without war even being declared). Sadly, I think it was only Noble difficulty, taking away some of the glamour

 

[mechaerik]

Please tell me you have a 4000bc save. I'd love to play that map.

 

[bhavv]

Ding ding ding ... We have a winning map!

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[DigitalBoy]

Ding ding ding ... We have a winning map!

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I like capn's better to be honest.