Uncle Paul
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Also, who knows what the future brings with regards to the Boer Republics. Maybe we will get it back some day.
Like Haiti?Because a modern (at the time) republic is worthy, some tribal villages aren't.
And lose having a dignified head of state in exchange for a partisan clown?Also, who knows what the future brings with regards to the Boer Republics. Maybe we will get it back some day.
I agree on that, India should be debloobed in several minor civs.In my opinion, Gandhi can (and should) be retired.
Haiti at least was an Empire for a time, meanwhile the Boers republic was just a boring republic.Like Haiti?
Of course, Slavery was the biggest sin of humanity... we can all agree that slavery is bad right?
Like Haiti?
And lose having a dignified head of state in exchange for a partisan clown?
Civ is geared at Westerners, they only know Gandhi and modern India. I could go for a Mogul civ lead by Akbar, but that's it. We don't need more than Akbar's Moguls (Islamic India) and Ghandi's India (Hindu India.I agree on that, India should be debloobed in several minor civs.
I know it isn't the most important, but I rly want to see Ahmadnegar Sultanate lead by Malik Ambar as civ and it is just possible if there is no more india in future civs.
Haiti at least was an Empire for a time, meanwhile the Boers republic was just a boring republic.
No. British concentration camps in the Boer war, the Irish potato famine, the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, and the postwar expulsions from Eastern Europe were all worse.Of course, Slavery was the biggest sin of humanity
If Constand Viljoen, Eugene Terre'Blanche, and even some of the less directly militant members of such a movement are any indication, they remind me of the Confederate Lost Cause crowd.Also, who knows what the future brings with regards to the Boer Republics. Maybe we will get it back some day.
... we can all agree that slavery is bad right?
Well, one of them, at least. Up there with genocide, mass economic exploitation, deliberate deception of the masses, histiorical revisionism for ulterior motives, the existence of nuclear weapons, etc. There are several at the top - but not many.Of course, Slavery was the biggest sin of humanity
I should have known saying Gandhi should be retired would bring up HIM being brought up again...I know it isn't the most important, but I rly want to see Ahmadnegar Sultanate lead by Malik Ambar as civ and it is just possible if there is no more india in future civs.
It was a self-proclaimed, short-lived monarchy whose monarch styled himself as an, "Emperor," when it was nowhere near an Empire in any common or classical sense of the word.Haiti at least was an Empire for a time
None of them were perfect, but they were all a million times better than Julius Malema.If Constand Viljoen, Eugene Terre'Blanche, and even some of the less directly militant members of such a movement are any indication, they remind me of the Confederate Lost Cause crowd.
Yes, even the "Empire of Haiti" paled in comparison to the Boer Republics.It was a self-proclaimed, short-lived monarchy whose monarch styled himself as an, "Emperor," when it was nowhere near an Empire in any common or classical sense of the word.
I still think the Slavery was the worst human sin even in comparasion with these events you said.No. British concentration camps in the Boer war, the Irish potato famine, the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, and the postwar expulsions from Eastern Europe were all worse.
Haiti also managed to control the Republic Dominician side of the island for while, conquer other peoples is what Empires do, so it was a kind of Empire yes.It was a self-proclaimed, short-lived monarchy whose monarch styled himself as an, "Emperor," when it was nowhere near an Empire in any common or classical sense of the word.
That I must to disagree. The only achivement of the Boers was being white in Africa. Is very unique, I admit, but not unique enouth to be a civ.Yes, even the "Empire of Haiti" paled in comparison to the Boer Republics.
"A million times better," eh? That's quite the boast. I see them as both being quite awful, with bad ideas that would be awful for their nation, or any nation - just in very different days. Channeling Malan or channeling Mugabe isn't a matter of any higher podium, there...None of them were perfect, but they were all a million times better than Julius Malema.
No, about, equal in historical interest and significance, but Haiti comes out on top for warranting a Civ slot.Yes, even the "Empire of Haiti" paled in comparison to the Boer Republics.
But since South Africa is part of the Commonwealth of Nations I thought the head of state would be Charles III, at least according to you?In fact, you will see the current Head of State of South Africa is a partisan clown.List of heads of state of South Africa - Wikipedia
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That's what I hope they do for Civ VII. Though I can also get behind Ashoka for India.Civ is geared at Westerners, they only know Gandhi and modern India. I could go for a Mogul civ lead by Akbar, but that's it. We don't need more than Akbar's Moguls (Islamic India) and Ghandi's India (Hindu India.
I mean you can definitely argue that the Holocaust was in fact also a form of slavery plus genocide, not to mention the other forms of forced labor camps such as gulags in the Soviet Union etc. that resulted in massive amounts of fatalities.I still think the Slavery was the worst human sin even in comparasion with these events you said.
No, slavery wasn't worse. An African slave got to live, a Boer or Jew killed in a concentration camp did not. An Armenian killed by the Turk did not. An Irishman who starved because the potato crop failed did not.I still think the Slavery was the worst human sin even in comparasion with these events you said.
But at least we can agree Slavery was a bad thing.
So they conquered the other half of their tiny island? Still, less land than the Boer Republics controlled.Haiti also managed to control the Republic Dominician side of the island for while, conquer other peoples is what Empires do, so it was a kind of Empire yes.
And had 3 emperors in Haiti, Jean Jaque Dessalines, Henri Christophe and Faustino Solouque. This last one was the last emperor and the one Republic Dominician get it's independence from.
The Great Trek, Blood River, Boer Republics, beating the Brits in 1881, Jan Smuts, Dr Barnard, etc...That I must to disagree. The only achivement of the Boers was being white in Africa. Is very unique, I admit, but not unique enouth to be a civ.
Most because the Apartheid stuffs, it's count bad to the Boers.
Malan was a million times better than Mugabe. Pretorius, Kruger, and Smuts were better than Malan."A million times better," eh? That's quite the boast. I see them as both being quite awful, with bad ideas that would be awful for their nation, or any nation - just in very different days. Channeling Malan or channeling Mugabe isn't a matter of any higher podium, there...
If they're about equal, then they should be equal in warranting a Civ slot. Meanwhile, Civ, like any game based around history, attracts a lot of right-wingers, and South Africa and Rhodesia have an iconic status among right-wingers. Haiti doesn't have an iconic status among any group of gamers. (I'd love to see a Rhodesian civ led by Ian Smith, but I know that will never happen)No, about, equal in historical interest and significance, but Haiti comes out on top for warranting a Civ slot.
Not all Commonwealth members have the UK monarch as head of state anymore.But since South Africa is part of the Commonwealth of Nations I thought the head of state would be Charles III, at least according to you?
Gandhi - civ legend, well-known in the WestThat's what I hope they do for Civ VII. Though I can also get behind Ashoka for India.
I think Henri Christophe has a very black-centric view of the world, similar to how I have a very Boer-centric (and to a lesser extent White-centric) view of the world. So in some ways, we are counterparts to each other. Horseshoe theory.I mean you can definitely argue that the Holocaust was in fact also a form of slavery plus genocide, not to mention the other forms of forced labor camps such as gulags in the Soviet Union etc. that resulted in massive amounts of fatalities.
There are circumstances people can be put in where death can seem like a mercy.No, slavery wasn't worse. An African slave got to live, a Boer or Jew killed in a concentration camp did not. An Armenian killed by the Turk did not. An Irishman who starved because the potato crop failed did not.
I remain unconvinced of this statement, especially with the, "million times better," hyperbole.Malan was a million times better than Mugabe. Pretorius, Kruger, and Smuts were better than Malan.
This is the second time today, and you've it quite a bit in the recent past, by dismissing the fact that Civ players, on average, are already much more educated on history and other social sciences than the, "typical everyperson," in the West, but, that somehow, even with that insulting and presumptuous fallacy, assume everyone knows enough about Kruger and Pretorious to consider them much more worthy additions than many seriously touted, considered, and mulled, who had much more historical significance, and you have unilaterally and arbitrarily declared too obscure to be included.Gandhi - civ legend, well-known in the West
Ashoka - obscure
Lots of people had to do hard, physical labor at that time, for minimal compensation.There are circumstances people can be put in where death can seem like a mercy.
You really would take Mugabe (self-identified as the "African Hitler) over Dr. Malan?I remain unconvinced of this statement, especially with the, "million times better," hyperbole.
Pretoria is named after Pretorius, and everyone knows the Krugerrand. Ashoka is obscure, I only know him because he was in Civ 4, but Gandhi is so much better known than Ashoka.This is the second time today, and you've it quite a bit in the recent past, by dismissing the fact that Civ players, on average, are already much more educated on history and other social sciences than the, "typical everyperson," in the West, but, that somehow, even with that insulting and presumptuous fallacy, assume everyone knows enough about Kruger and Pretorious to consider them much more worthy additions than many seriously touted, considered, and mulled, who had much more historical significance, and you have unilaterally and arbitrarily declared too obscure to be included.
and everyone knows the Krugerrand. Ashoka is obscure
Ashoka could refer to a lot of different things, for example https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ahsoka_TanoYou overestimate Krugerrand's reputation.
USA:
World Wide:
If you sort by South Africa then obviously Krugerrand wins by a lot, just like if you sort by India Ashoka wins by a lot.
If you sort by South Africa then obviously Krugerrand wins by a lot, just like if you sort by India Ashoka wins by a lot.
Let us set the category to history to see who actually wins.
Worldwide:
USA: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?cat=433&date=today 5-y&geo=US&q=Ashoka,Krugerrand
Did you not listen to what I said? You are setting the search to South Africa specifically. That is obviously going to be biased.