classical_hero
In whom I trust
John Howard is a good leader and has brought Australia to the forefront of world Politics.
Why I rag on Australia
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classical_hero
In whom I trust
Well Howard has done nothing wrong in doing so. Your comparision is so hopeless that it is not even worth considering. 
Canberra has been hitting -5 or so every night this week. My gear was frosting up as I trained on Tuesday and Thursday night.
Labor's biggest problem is the rampant factionalism. Too busy fighting amongst themselves to get properly organised about outing Howard, Costello & co.
@Classical_Hero: Brought us to the forefront of world politics? Since when? We get a bit of a mention when talking about which countries are invading Iraq, but apart from that, what other prominent position in world politics do we hold? Keeping Indonesia happy is a higher priority for us than worrying about human rights, which is not entirely surprising given the way we treat other refugees that weren't from west Papua.
Labor's biggest problem is the rampant factionalism. Too busy fighting amongst themselves to get properly organised about outing Howard, Costello & co.
@Classical_Hero: Brought us to the forefront of world politics? Since when? We get a bit of a mention when talking about which countries are invading Iraq, but apart from that, what other prominent position in world politics do we hold? Keeping Indonesia happy is a higher priority for us than worrying about human rights, which is not entirely surprising given the way we treat other refugees that weren't from west Papua.
Der Sensenmann
Lasombra Stalker
Howard preening himself on the world stage is touchingly pathetic, to my mind. To be honest, Australia's a little country with little real weight in the world, and him pretending to be a big world player is actually pretty sad.
Not to mention his insane military strategy of deploying troops in about 6 or 7 different hotspots across the world all at once.
Not to mention his insane military strategy of deploying troops in about 6 or 7 different hotspots across the world all at once.
Nobody
Gangster
Even if we ignor the prostitute* that is john howard there are still many good reasons to rag on australia:
- They win at every sport they try at. I mean canada is alot bigger they should do better.
- They steal new zealands things and claim them as there own: Russle crowe, Pavalova, Far lap ect
- They have crazy race riots and treat the native people like crap
- Home and away! (australastion inside joke)
- They over prononuce their Es
- There greatest natrual wonder, is a big rock
- All the poison snakes and spider kill people
- They wont shut up about the "SOCCEROOS!!!"
Im sure theres more......
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* John howard whored out the australian military, making australia a target for terrorists to get a free trade agreement.
Breaking his morals (dont invade other nations) in exchange for money (trade) is prostitution!
Ultima Dragoon
FIRE! FIRE! FIRE!
That's a very harsh analogy.
1. It's not a reason if you're jealous.
2. I have never heard anything on that list besides from Pavlova being called australian. (There are many theories on where it came from.)
3. The cronulla riots were a freak occurence. And the Aboriginal things....best forgotten.
4. I admit, It's gotten worse recently.
5. WE over-pronounce our E's, but at least we don't pronounce "fish and Chips ", "Fush and chops".
6. What abou the great barrier reef, eh? And you don't even have one.
7. Yeah, before we developed this stuff called "antivenin".
8. The crazies won't, I don't really care.
And that folks, is what you get from a New Zealander, criticizing an Australian.
1. It's not a reason if you're jealous.
2. I have never heard anything on that list besides from Pavlova being called australian. (There are many theories on where it came from.)
3.
The cronulla riots were a freak occurence. And the Aboriginal things....best forgotten.4. I admit, It's gotten worse recently.
5. WE over-pronounce our E's, but at least we don't pronounce "fish and Chips ", "Fush and chops".
6. What abou the great barrier reef, eh? And you don't even have one.
7. Yeah, before we developed this stuff called "antivenin".
8. The crazies won't, I don't really care.
And that folks, is what you get from a New Zealander, criticizing an Australian.
Nobody
Gangster
actually its not over pronoucing their es its saying their is like es. Instead of F I SH like we says australians say F EAR SH.
Ultima Dragoon
FIRE! FIRE! FIRE!
So you're saying we say "fish" "feesh"? I doubt it, unless we we're talking about 100 years ago, or an extreme case of ockerism.
Gingerbread Man
Dark Magus
John Howard? A successful Prime Minister who has done many bad things. To some degree, those success came as a result of him being Prime Minister at the right time.
I'm at the belief that any government in power for too long is a bad thing. And this government is way over its time limit. His workplace reforms are driven by ideology, pure and simple. He wants to mimick the American-style employment system, for heaven knows what reason. Yes, more people will be employed, but we will have more working poor, screwed by their dispensability, suffering lower wages and worse conditions, because they don't have the power to bargain with their employers. While the workplace reforms may make sense to people earning over $100K a year, for the average John Citizen it gives no benefit.
I'm at the belief that any government in power for too long is a bad thing. And this government is way over its time limit. His workplace reforms are driven by ideology, pure and simple. He wants to mimick the American-style employment system, for heaven knows what reason. Yes, more people will be employed, but we will have more working poor, screwed by their dispensability, suffering lower wages and worse conditions, because they don't have the power to bargain with their employers. While the workplace reforms may make sense to people earning over $100K a year, for the average John Citizen it gives no benefit.
Meleager said:
Generally we didn't used to hear very much, until basically JH brought Australia into Iraq. The fact that Britain and Aus both joined that war is what conservatives in Canada tried to use to convice us to go in as well. Didn't work of course.
As noted above Our current PM, Stephen Harper, had forged a close friendship with Mr. Howard before being elected and has looked to him as something of a mentor, generally since they are both similar men running similar countries. That has brought Australian politics a bit further into the forefront in Canada as well. JHs recent visit got alot of attention.
Now in Canada we are discussing aboloishment of the monarchy, also a big issue in Aus, and electoral reform, somethign Aus has already done.
I notice also that there are a number of joint CBC/ABC productions going on these days (look for one called 'Hemispheres', it's often intersting).
Meleager said:
Please don't bother as I'm very hopeful we will be replacing him soon.
sysyphus said:
We have? When? What did we change? I must have missed that one.
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Meleager said:
Sounds amusing!
Tell us more about this chap, please!
Mongoloid Cow
Great Khan
Here's the wiki link. Don't know if it is any good for it or not. He was a little crazyCurtSibling said:Sounds amusing!
Tell us more about this chap, please!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Latham
Meleager
Stoned as a Statue
classical_hero said:
Makes me glad to live in sunny Queensland.sanabas said:
Well, it worked, didn't it?Nobody said:
Mark Latham, he is a bully. He was looking like he might win at one point. After he lost, he got sick and went to the back bench, beat up a couple of camera men, and published the Latham Diaries. In the Latham Diaries he blames his failure etirely on his party. There is some really bitter stuff in there.CurtSibling said:Sounds amusing!
Tell us more about this chap, please!
classical_hero
In whom I trust
I thought we were talking about Kim Beasley.
Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
No, he tends simply to eat the young of his rivals.
The original proposition seems more a case of disliking and individual and wishing to 'rag' on them; there is nothing wrong with that. Projecting it on to an entire country in an ad hominem fashion would be wrong.
As for Mr. Howard, I am a proud member of his party, and am among the majority of the people who have elected him on numerous occasions, due to strong leadership, tax and workplace reform, a social conservative line, good economic management and doing the right thing abroad. I don't agree with his position on gun laws, and am closer to the Tony Abbott's of this world on some of the social matters, but he is my PM and I am proud.
The characterization of Mr Howard as a lapdog is amusing, as he and the government had already espoused and put into action a doctrine and practice of utilizing force when necessary overseas, as done in East Timor. Similarly Mr. Blair's doctrine of humanitarian war and intervention was going on in Sierra Leone before Mr. Bush entered office.
I suppose some could characterize the action of activating the ANZUS Treaty as lapdoggish, what with the Prime Minister being in Washington, seeing the smoke, and the small matter of Australian dead and OBL's previous declaration of war.
On the matter of the 'Little Australia' advocates, who would characterize us as not a power and with no role to play on a wider stage, I heartily disagree. East Timor, Ramsi Assist, Enduring Freedom, Iraqi Freedom, AMTF, ongoing CT operations in the region, Tsunami and Earthquake relief - we bat out of our league, and do so because it is the right thing to do.
Mr. Howard has been a conservative mentor and influence on more than just Mr. Harper; he has demonstrated how to win, stay in office, and carry out the conservative agenda. A great success, which does irk many among the doctor's wives set.
Not being able or willing to distinguish between an individual, even a political party, and the country they are from, is however, not the mark of a mature political outlook. I do hope those that hold such views age like a fine cheese, to a mature blend of cheddary goodness, before contemplating citizenship here.
The original proposition seems more a case of disliking and individual and wishing to 'rag' on them; there is nothing wrong with that. Projecting it on to an entire country in an ad hominem fashion would be wrong.
As for Mr. Howard, I am a proud member of his party, and am among the majority of the people who have elected him on numerous occasions, due to strong leadership, tax and workplace reform, a social conservative line, good economic management and doing the right thing abroad. I don't agree with his position on gun laws, and am closer to the Tony Abbott's of this world on some of the social matters, but he is my PM and I am proud.
The characterization of Mr Howard as a lapdog is amusing, as he and the government had already espoused and put into action a doctrine and practice of utilizing force when necessary overseas, as done in East Timor. Similarly Mr. Blair's doctrine of humanitarian war and intervention was going on in Sierra Leone before Mr. Bush entered office.
I suppose some could characterize the action of activating the ANZUS Treaty as lapdoggish, what with the Prime Minister being in Washington, seeing the smoke, and the small matter of Australian dead and OBL's previous declaration of war.
On the matter of the 'Little Australia' advocates, who would characterize us as not a power and with no role to play on a wider stage, I heartily disagree. East Timor, Ramsi Assist, Enduring Freedom, Iraqi Freedom, AMTF, ongoing CT operations in the region, Tsunami and Earthquake relief - we bat out of our league, and do so because it is the right thing to do.
Mr. Howard has been a conservative mentor and influence on more than just Mr. Harper; he has demonstrated how to win, stay in office, and carry out the conservative agenda. A great success, which does irk many among the doctor's wives set.
Not being able or willing to distinguish between an individual, even a political party, and the country they are from, is however, not the mark of a mature political outlook. I do hope those that hold such views age like a fine cheese, to a mature blend of cheddary goodness, before contemplating citizenship here.
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So, enough of the prosaic words to the vassals of common simplicity, Simon!
Let us all in on when your coup d'État is to happen...!
Surely the genetic labs in Ayers Rock have been busy...Cloning an army grown from the DNA of
Otto Skorenzy for the masterplan of 'Nea-so-Thule' - Or have we moved to the 'other' plan?
Let us all in on when your coup d'État is to happen...!
Surely the genetic labs in Ayers Rock have been busy...Cloning an army grown from the DNA of
Otto Skorenzy for the masterplan of 'Nea-so-Thule' - Or have we moved to the 'other' plan?
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