Why is Mongolia in and not Korea

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I skipped the last 10 pages. Is Korea the new Poland?

Of course not.

They have better food.
 
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Continue on that?
After the loooooooong debates after that topic, I'm not quite interested in continuing on that topic, because I talked about the US, Japan and China just as examples...

I'll first need to study for a test (though I sure have spent too much time here and with a game using Mongolia), but do you really need my reply?
 
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Trivia question:

Which country was the first to have one of its citizens in space?

Mongolia or South/North Korea?
 
16 million males (0.5% of the worlds population) are descendants of Genghis Khan.

Show me an equally prolific Korean and then we'll talk. ;)
 
@Vordeo
Continue on that?
After the loooooooong debates after that topic, I'm not quite interested in continuing on that topic, because I talked about the US, Japan and China just as examples...

I'll first need to study for a test (though I sure have spent too much time here and with a game using Mongolia), but do you really need my reply?

Eh, not particularly. I'd rather be playing with Mongolia myself, but I'm at work. :lol:

Good luck with the test!

lol, what?

Might want to look up the Yuan Dynasty there.
 
Korea does have 10,000 years of history and are responsible for the foundation of most of the world's major civilizations. They also had the largest empire in human history.

So, I can see his/her point. My only contention is that Korea is over represented already since we have China, Japan, India, Egypt, Aztecs etc already in the game.

There is solid historical evidence to support this. :)

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But please stop trolling, like all others pointed out, we don't want this thread to get locked, right?:)
 
Eh, not particularly. I'd rather be playing with Mongolia myself, but I'm at work. :lol:

Good luck with the test!



Might want to look up the Yuan Dynasty there.

The point was, and I agree with him, that the Chinese weren't dramatically shaped by the Mongols or the Manchu. Even though they both ruled China they were never numerous enough to really dramatically alter Chinese culture. Perhaps in small ways but they really didn't leave many lasting legacies.
 
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But please stop trolling, like all others pointed out, we don't want this thread to get locked, right?:)

I must admit, this is the most interesting thread on these forums. It would be shame for it to get locked. However, the videos don't lie do they? ;)
 
The point was, and I agree with him, that the Chinese weren't dramatically shaped by the Mongols or the Manchu. Even though they both ruled China they were never numerous enough to really dramatically alter Chinese culture. Perhaps in small ways but they really didn't leave many lasting legacies.

Ah. Well, that'd depend on whether or not you ascribe changes made under their reign to the Mongols. Alot happened in the near-century they were in charge after all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_dynasty#Impact

That's leaving aside the impact they had on the subsequent Ming dynasty.
 
Eh, not particularly. I'd rather be playing with Mongolia myself, but I'm at work. :lol:

Good luck with the test!



Might want to look up the Yuan Dynasty there.

I don't believe Mongols left a lot of their influence on Chinese culture. When Ming dynasty overthrew the Yuan dynasty, they made an effort to purge everything that is Mongolian. Zheng He, the famed enuch admiral is Mongolian, who was castrated as Ming army sacked the southern China city he was in.

The Mongols savagedly massacred Chinese and Chinese retaliated when Ming took over. It's not just history, you can tell from the Neo Confucian movement during Ming dynasty as one of the evidence of Ming's effort of purging Mongolian influence and reassert Chinese culture.

Manchu left more mark on Chinese culture, but it's not that much really, it's still predominantly han Chinese. Manchu's own aristocracy had trouble learning its own language later on as too many Manchu were assimilated into the Chinese mass so to speak. That was one thing the Mongols were dreadful afraid of so they kept themselves apart from the Chinese, even took Tibet Lamanism as their "state religion" (for Yuan dynasty anyways as other Mongol empire took Islam and other religion). Manchu were quite different, the founding leader of Manchu dynasty made effort to learn and study Chinese. Early Manchu emperors had no trouble with their own language, can't say the same for later Manchu aristocrats.

The "traditional" Chinese dress, "QiPao" is Manchu dress but normal Chinese adopted it. There were some other examples that I read but I can't recall right now.

Chinese culture really is a product of countless assimilation of barbarian. If the Yuan dynasty wasn't so cruel towards Chinese, I think they would have left a much larger mark, rather than causing strong anti-Mongol reaction later.

There is a term for this, where the culture of "lower class" mass permeate upward and influence the smaller, elite ruling upper class. I learned that term in linguistics as we studied the history of English, how English has changed and the interaction of various conquer who made their mark in English. I just can't recall that term right now, argh :(

Some Chinese don't seem to remember or want to admit Chinese culture most likely has "barbarian" influence. I had to politely point out their own history recorded various waves of Barbarian invasions, such as "wu3hu2luan4hua2" (five barbarian invade China) and how those barbarians all were assimilated into modern day han Chinese.

It was in another thread that I pointed out Chinese culture's biggest "conquest" weapon is not its army, but rather its culture of assimilation. It's extremenly strong. Jews are pretty good at holding onto their culture but Chinese Jew is one of the few cases where they become more or less Chinese and when those Chinese Jews tried to seek their Jewish roots recently, it caused some problems as their lineage tend to trace back to their father's side while traditional Jewish culture heritage is passed from mother's side.
 
That must be some careful picking of sources, as they are listed 36, 27 and and 40 by IMF, World bank and CIA respectively, unless you consider Germany, Australia and Japan small countries.

Other than that I learned quite a bit from this thread, a good read.
Actually, he meant GDP per capita and not straight GDP.
I quoted GDP per capita for 2009: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita If you mean adjusted for purchasing power their best ranking is still number 26.

I agree that South Korea is a rich country with high productivity, but because the development has been so recent the entire population hasn't been brought up to western income rates yet, which I believe is the reason why they are a little behind the top dogs.
 
Errr... based of this, the USA has an unemployment rate of 9.28%, and China's is 9.3%. Not much difference there. That's probably from a few months back too, so I wouldn't be surprised if the rates are roughly even now.

I'd suggest that you ignored statistics provided by Chinese authorities.
I have no idea where they got the unemployment rate numbers but I doubt that any foreign groups are allowed to investigate in China about this issue. So my best guess is that the numbers are provided by Chinese authorities, and if so those numbers are quite undependable.

Then again I am just talking common sense, so count me out if you want. I have to admit that I can not provide any proof about what I said.
 
I'd suggest that you ignored statistics provided by Chinese authorities.
I have no idea where did they get the unemployment rate numbers but I doubt that any foreign groups are allowed to investigate in China about this issue. So my best guess is that the numbers are provided by Chinese authorities, and if so those numbers are quite undependable.

Then again I am just talking common sense, so count me out if you want. I have to admit that I can not provide any proof about what I said.

There are lies, damn lies, statistical lies.

USA statistics on some subject is subject to....err...."interpretation."

As someone who spent time study statistics, I had issues with 2 US number, they are inflation & unemployment.

I know from personal experience inflation in USA is not that low for the past 10 years. I just have to look at the price of a gallon of milk or a dozen large AA eggs to see that. You can hide inflation in some area as I notice cereal packaging and some other food packaging changes, you get less per container but you might pay the same price or even less, just there are less stuff inside compare with before :( You can't hide inflation in milk & egg as they are counted by gallon, or dozen, which packaging change can't really hide inflation :)

Unemployment counts people who are actively looking for job. People who are too discouraged and gave up looking for job are not counted. Err, hello, what do you mean by that?

Keep inflation low will keep social security payment adjustment low, perhaps that's the incentive to keep inflation statistics low based on that "basket of goods" and excluding "volatile" food & energy prices. No offense, we gotta eat and use energy to heat up home, cool down home, cooking, transportation, etc. I can see the rationale for keeping food + energy price out but in reality, they should be included in inflation count.

unemployment is higher than official statistics, I can see the signs everywhere with for lease signs in office buildings, restaurants closing down or change owner, etc. etc.
 
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