Why is Mt. Rushmore enable by Facism?

Runriot said:
Whatever gave you that idea? The United States of America is a Representative Democracy.

Saying that the US is a republic is like saying The UK is still a feudal Monarchy (hint its a Constitional Monarchy)
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I think you don't know what the difference is between a Democracy and a Republic.

hint: There has never been a functioning democracy larger than the city-state level in the history of the world.
 
quazi said:
It's facism because there are faces. Duh.
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I thought of this also, it is so simplistic that it is probably true... This would mean that whoever decided to code Mt. Rushmore with Facism doesnt understand the meaning of either one. I am guessing that some of the programmers/designers may not have had a firm grasp on the english language.
 
I was just thinking about this. The reasoning I came up with is that getting Mt. Rushmore lets you reduce war weariness without necessarily adopting the police state civic - while the effects can stack, you can tailor one or the depending on how much reduction you need.

In real world terms, when Germany entered WW2, they were in Police State, which reduced war weariness by that much but hurt their economy a lot. The US on the other hand, kept their Nationhood civic (and thusly the economic lead) and survived the war weariness simply through Rushmore.
 
Andicus said:
I think you don't know what the difference is between a Democracy and a Republic.

hint: There has never been a functioning democracy larger than the city-state level in the history of the world.
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You are also talking about a straight & pure Democracy. Of course, something larger than say 1 medium sized mordern city couldnt allow for a pure democratic system. Hence, the representational democracy that we use now.

Did some research, and appearently wikipedia defines the US as "constitutional republic" then goes on in the very next sentence to say "Specifically, the nation operates as a presidential democracy." It got to be one or the other, not both.
wikipedia.org said:
The United States is an example of a constitutional republic, with a government composed of and operating through a set of limited powers imposed by its design and enumerated in that design or Constitution of the United States of America. Specifically, the nation operates as a presidential democracy. There are three levels of government: federal, state, and local. Officials of each of these levels are either elected by eligible voters via secret ballot or appointed by other elected officials. Americans enjoy almost universal suffrage from the age of 18 regardless of race, sex, or wealth. There are some limits, however: felons are disenfranchised and in some states former felons are likewise. Furthermore, the national representation of territories and the federal district of Washington, DC in Congress is limited: residents of the District of Columbia are subject to federal laws and federal taxes but their only Congressional representative is a non-voting delegate.
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I can see right now the faces of Hitler, Mussolini and Hirohito carved into the side of a mountain.

The name and faces are only American because the Mt. Rushmore we know is well… the Mt. Rushmore we know! It’s only representative of a nationalist monument/wonder.
 
IMO the funniest thing about Mt. Rushmore was that the government didn't want to pay for the project. This makes the Fascist requirement a good one since in an alternate history a fascist government would be much more likely to build something like it.

-the Wolf
 
Silver Marmot said:
If it were a Democracy every American would be able to vote on every decision made by the government (which is why, of course, that the US is not a democracy, because we can't hold daily votes across the nation like we do in Congress).
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That's what you would call a direct democracy like we have here in Switzerland.

Rince
 
I'm not sure why the UK is called a Constitutional Monarchy when we don't actually have a constitution.
 
This topic of Republic vs Democracy is one of my favorite. Republic is of the people (emphasis on people), Democracy is for the citizen (emphasis on government). This quote I think explains quite well. We were a republic, but a transformation did occur. See the 14th admendment.

"Notice that in a Democracy, the sovereignty is in the whole body of the free citizens. The sovereignty is not divided to smaller units such as individual citizens. To solve a problem, only the whole body politic is authorized to act. Also, being citizens, individuals have duties and obligations to the government. The government's only obligations to the citizens are those legislatively pre-defined for it by the whole body politic.

In a Republic, the sovereignty resides in the people themselves, whether one or many. In a Republic, one may act on his own or through his representatives as he chooses to solve a problem. Further, the people have no obligation to the government; instead, the government being hired by the people, is obliged to its owner, the people."

And this link has this: Here are four (4) facsimile section reproductions taken from a 156 page book officially compiled and issued by the U.S. War Department, November 30,1928, setting forth exact and truthful definitions of a Democracy and of a Republic, explaining the difference between both. http://www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/repvdem.htm
 
As per the UK, the monarchy still does have some powers, but it is the parliament elected by the people that pass bills. Does not the UK have the magna carta and other similar documents that codify the powers of the monarch and the house of lords and Members of parliament and other such legal and jurisdiction issues?
 
It's fine for me, like somebody allready said that Facism is really now worth of inventing (again great balance, great balance :goodjob: ) Police State and Mt. Mushroom ahh it's worth of it really :D
 
Red Stranger said:
Shouldn't it be enable by Democracy, since Mt. Rushmore was built in America, as a symbol of greatness.
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Not really. It's a shrine, so to speak, that points to the self, like a statue. Facism is the perfect thing needed to build Rushmore.


Alanb
 
"I'm not sure why the UK is called a Constitutional Monarchy when we don't actually have a constitution."

Constitutional monarchy basically means it's a lawful monarchy; i.e. the monarch's power is guided by law, rather than just being able to do whatever they want.

Dictionary definitions aside, I'd say that the monarchy of the UK is its constitution. The role of a constitution in political terms is generally to draw a line which the nation cannot (easily) cross. In this way, it's intended to prevent democratic insanity. If someone were elected who wanted to, say, kill anyone who was left handed, the constitution prevents them from doing so, because the constitution isn't 'elected'.

In the UK, although the monarch has no lawmaking powers, they have the power to prevent laws being passed. In the absence of a formal constitution, this acts as a safeguard against the darker side of democracy.
 
Runriot said:
Weird that it is when you dont have a constitution... in fact, I had just assumed you did... guess you learn something new every day :)
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*puts on his grandad hat*

Well back in our day there was no such thing as a constitution, one day some important nob just approached the King and had the following conversation:

Noble: Here's an idea Mr King, instead of having this inconvenient civil wars and popular uprisings every hundred years, why don't we just let the people decide who they want as the leader of this country.

King: But I am the King of England (and surrounding disputed teritories), I am the leader of this country.

Noble: Well yes of course sure.... but what if there was someone else took care of all the boring stuff like law and order, taxes and things and you could concentrate on higher matters.

King: And I would be in charge of this leader?

Noble: Well... kind of

King: ?

Noble: Well technically the people would be in charge of him as they elect him and have the power to vote him out, but you have a kind of... executive veto.

King: Which means?

Noble: If they elect a crap leader you can tell them to try again

King: Sounds complicated

Noble: Not really, it just means the people have the illusion that they are in charge of their own destiny and so they won't want to behead you every generation or so.

King: Hmm I like that. And what are these... higher matter you speak of?

Noble: Well basically you get to go hunting, eat large amounts of luxurious food and kill Frenchmen

King: Sounds good, make it so

Noble: Excellent your majesty... just one more thing, do you think this should all be written down somewhere so the people can see in a 'constitution' that they have these rights.

King: No that would be bad, I might change my mind next week.

Noble: Fair enough
 
lmao piemaster

Too good. You should be a history teacher seriously!!

I had a teacher at high school who used to teach in an interesting way like this. Makes everyone listen i feel.
 
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