Why is Mt. Rushmore enable by Facism?

vanionBB said:
I thought of this also, it is so simplistic that it is probably true... This would mean that whoever decided to code Mt. Rushmore with Facism doesnt understand the meaning of either one. I am guessing that some of the programmers/designers may not have had a firm grasp on the english language.
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Or, more likley, it would mean another clever joke put in like they have everywhere else in the game. I think the people at Firaxis know what Facism is.
 
Obtaining the Technology of Facism is not the same as being Facist. It is the understanding of Facism. And a nation my adopt or reject its ideals and morals. But Mt Rushmore is a symbol of a nation which understands this, not necessarily is a proponent of it.
 
It is really an example of facist art in America from a time before facisme was despised.

You should remember the corporate leaders of the US tried to coup to a facist government too before WW2.

As of the democracy vs. republic. I've always considered a braindead side-effect of CIV1. Democracy and republic are ortogonal of eachother and one does not exclude the other:
Iraq under Saddam was a: tolitarian republic
UK is a: democratic monarchy
US is a; democratic republic

Republic means you have a president rather than a king, and NOTHING else.

Republicans are everywhere outside the US, politicians who oppose the monarchy and wants a president instead. The communists are many places the foremost republicans.
 
Silver Marmot said:
Actually, the United States is a Republic. We elect people who vote on decisions, such as war, taxes, welfare, etc. If it were a Democracy every American would be able to vote on every decision made by the government (which is why, of course, that the US is not a democracy, because we can't hold daily votes across the nation like we do in Congress).
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Republic and democracy are not mutually exclusive, and it is possible for characteristics of both to manifest themselves in a given government. That is, a government could be called both a republic and a democracy. Democracy does not always mean referendums on every little thing. That is merely one form of it, i.e. direct democracy. Representative democracy, which is the form practiced by most democratic nations around the world, among them the US, is another form of democracy - but democracy nonetheless. The important point to consider in determining whether a government is democratic is whether the people have the right to rule themselves. The means whereby that is achieved are less set in stone. What a democracy does not require, and what a republic does, is the rule of law. That is, a democracy in which the authority of the senate or parliament (that is, the authority of the people themselves), is held supreme and its decisions final (i.e. not subject to review), can not be called a republic. A republic also has the nominal consent of the people, though a benevolent oligarchy or plutocracy (even a theocracy) can satisfy this requirement as easily as a representative democracy. And in the US it did, in the form of the Senate before the passage of the 17th amendment.

To sum up: the best description of the US system would be a federal republic governed by a representative democracy.
 
Red Stranger said:
Shouldn't it be enable by Democracy, since Mt. Rushmore was built in America, as a symbol of greatness.
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spelling: Fascism
the building of national monuments and symbols of greatness are one the main prerogatives of fascist governments.

It's not like Democratic govs don't invest in the building of national monuments either, but not as heavily as nationalist govs, of course. And after all there must be something positive gameplay wise with the Fascism tech, otherwise why would it be there ?

The real problem as I see it was the choice of the name for this national wonder. I think Firaxis did the most awful work ever in choosing the names for national wonders. Mt. Rushmoore could have just been a generic "National Monument". West Point could have just been a generic "Military Academy", as it used to be. The only reason why the Heroic Epic and National Epic wonders have generic names is because USA did not exist in the ancient/classical age. Why aren't they called Odyssey or Gilgamesh Epic ? You can be that otherwise they would have the names of american's classical poems.
 
We area Republic, We are a republic of democratic states. Much in the same way that the EU is a republic of democratic nations.

Except that the EU isn't a republic :mischief:

At least not really, I mean that would pretty much require it to be a country.
 
Given that freakin' Teddy Rosevelt is in the monument (a man I adore, but would likely not vote for), it's not surprising that Rushmore is unlocked by xenocentric facism.

In any case, speaking of nazi public works: http://naziforest.ytmnd.com/ (audio)
 
It's mostly a game balance thing, but I don't think Fascism is at all a bad choice to put Mt. Rushmore at. In a Nation that celebrates the democracy of its people, the monument puts a lot of emphasis on its leaders.

Back in World War 2, there was a sense that even the most democratic nations would have to make changes. That the whole experiment of liberalism that started in 1789 seemed to be failing, and maybe what we did need was more government control. Even FDR had to save liberalism from itself by coming up with social security and so on.
 
onedreamer said:
The real problem as I see it was the choice of the name for this national wonder. I think Firaxis did the most awful work ever in choosing the names for national wonders. Mt. Rushmoore could have just been a generic "National Monument". West Point could have just been a generic "Military Academy", as it used to be. The only reason why the Heroic Epic and National Epic wonders have generic names is because USA did not exist in the ancient/classical age. Why aren't they called Odyssey or Gilgamesh Epic ? You can be that otherwise they would have the names of american's classical poems.
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I completely agree with this.
 
onedreamer said:
The real problem as I see it was the choice of the name for this national wonder. I think Firaxis did the most awful work ever in choosing the names for national wonders. Mt. Rushmoore could have just been a generic "National Monument". West Point could have just been a generic "Military Academy", as it used to be. The only reason why the Heroic Epic and National Epic wonders have generic names is because USA did not exist in the ancient/classical age. Why aren't they called Odyssey or Gilgamesh Epic ? You can be that otherwise they would have the names of american's classical poems.
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Does America even have classical poems regarding war? I mean, I guess we have Iron John Henry, Johnny Appleseed, and... Paul Reveere, but those are hardly heroic epics.
 
Mt. Rushmore is basicly an example of kitsch.

Noun 1. kitsch - art in pretentious bad taste

Adj. 1. kitsch - of a display that is tawdry or vulgar
ostentatious, pretentious, in poor taste, tasteless - lacking aesthetic or social taste
 
Yeah. I actually agree that Oxford University and Globe Theatre are kind of awkward names for National Wonders that everyone can build.

Why not Great Theatre or Great University? National Monument, or Heroic Sculpture?

Even with the Fascist, hyper-nationalist overtones of Mt. Rushmore... letting everyone build their own Mt. Rushmore seems a little odd and silly.
 
GenericKen said:
Does America even have classical poems regarding war? I mean, I guess we have Iron John Henry, Johnny Appleseed, and... Paul Reveere, but those are hardly heroic epics.
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Erm, there IS this little ditty known as the Star-Spangled Banner, ya know... it was only set to music later...

Later!

--The Clown to the Left
 
I find it sad that they cut down that nazi forest, now I'm not a nazi, actually they would have me shot but from a historical point of view they are destroying their history, its a bad part of history but they need to leave something around so that people can look back on it and say, "hey look at that, a major part of history thats survived"
 
Piemaster said:
I'm not sure why the UK is called a Constitutional Monarchy when we don't actually have a constitution.
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Constitutions do not have to be written; the UK's is unwritten and mostly tradition.

-the Wolf
 
What does Mt. Rushmore have to do with lowering war weariness? What do the Pyramids have to do with Representative government? I wouldn't read much into it.
 
vanionBB said:
I thought of this also, it is so simplistic that it is probably true... This would mean that whoever decided to code Mt. Rushmore with Facism doesnt understand the meaning of either one. I am guessing that some of the programmers/designers may not have had a firm grasp on the english language.
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too bad It's spelled fascism
 
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