Why is the world hostile to Christians?

[shadow2k]

Precisely, everyone knows that Islam is about tolerance undestanding and compassion, don't they : no they're too wrapped up in there own selfish agendas to listen to that majority that is Islam, they'd rather focus on a small minority of nutters, and make themsleves feel good that they understood the message of Islam. Believe me I see this day in day out, Muslims are good compassionate and tolerant people, as are Christians and Jews, the loud mouth idiots get the most atention, and they all shout like fools

Talk to the muslim community and the Jewish community don't base your opinion on political bs, we've been doing that for thousands of years, when will you learn ah it depresses me the amount of... can't even go on

Problem is, all their religions inherently tell them that they are right, and everyone else is wrong. The very nature of religion divides man...unless there were only one religion. And that will never happen.

So the fighting, the intolerance, and all the rest...will continue through until the end of mankind as we know it.

 

[Sidhe]

Indeed but they all worship the same God, be they Jew, Christian or Muslim. Even the Budhists and hindus and Siekhs know this, why make a case that your religion is right when God has told you that all religions are but the same path to God?

Why kill subjugate and use that religion to make some point that Alah Yahewa, or Jesus is somehow different, it's all just political bs? And it's got to stop, we all believe, if we believe in the same God. So stop trying to say you have the bestest religion and your point is right, we(if you believe and follow your faith are all Gods children, you kill one of another faith you kill a child that was meant to be a child of Islam, judaism,Christ and Hinduism, and of Confucianism and of Buddism, and of any religion of this world: grow up and get over yoursleves.

You all worship the same entity regardless of how you chose to phrase the ideology? Stop using this religion thing as an excuse because the God of the world knows how little compassion you will get at the end of the day form the big man, seek enlightenment, seek your faith, and don't seek to claim that you have the only way to God, 6 billion people do, whether he exists or not is entirely beside the point. Grow up, and behave like human beings, not like children who base hatred on insubstantial bs??

 

[shadow2k]

Indeed but they all worship the same God, be they Jew, Christian or Muslim. Even the Budhists and hindus and Siekhs know this, why make a case that your religion is right when God has told you that all religions are but the same path to God?

The very cornerstones of their religions should tell you that's not true. Have you studied the different religions?

Take just Jesus for example. He is their God. This isn't a naming issue, or an interpretation issue. If Jesus wasn't eveyone's God, then they aren't all worshipping the same God.

That's just the most obvious example, there are plenty to point out if you really want to get into that, but it might need it's own thread, as I'm sure most religious followers won't be happy with your statement

 

[stormbind]

I have told everyone (where applicable) that I am Christian, but according to shadow2k I am wrong. My opinion is that Jesus is messiah, and son of God.

Jews believe that Jesus/Isa was mistaken.

Christians believe in Jesus/Isa the messiah, and that the messiah preached equality.

Muslims believe in Jesus/Isa the messiah, but that Christians misunderstood him.

I have not noticed any hostility towards Christians, except in this forum

 

[shadow2k]

I have told everyone (where applicable) that I am Christian, but according to shadow2k I am wrong. My opinion is that Jesus is messiah, and son of God.

Son of God, part of the Trinity, whatever...I'm not going to get into the semantics of the different sects of Christianity.

 

[stormbind]

Son of God, part of the Trinity, whatever...I'm not going to get into the semantics of the different sects of Christianity.

Maybe the different sects are sufficiently unique to warrant being different religions where comparissons are drawn between them and Islam or Judaism?

 

[shadow2k]

Maybe the different sects are sufficiently unique to warrant being different religions where comparissons are drawn between them and Islam or Judaism?

The fact that you don't believe Jesus is God, while other Christians do...just goes to prove my point. There are vital differences between religions, you cannot lump them all together. So you're right, I shouldn't have defined you all as one.

But remember, every religion has different sects. To expect someone to differentiate between each and every one, ever time...it's just not feasible.

 

[stormbind]

Many people (i.e. Italians) have argued I am not Christian, because I am Protestant.

I am sure many Protestants would say I am not Christian as well...

 

[aneeshm]

Problem is, all their religions inherently tell them that they are right, and everyone else is wrong. The very nature of religion divides man...unless there were only one religion. And that will never happen.

Incorrect .

According to the pantheistic ( Hindu ) worldview , that is wrong . Hinduism does not proclaim everyone else to be wrong - it only says that it itself is right , but others may be right , too . Only Churchainity and Islam claim a monopoly on truth . Maybe you have not heard of the quote from the Vedas :

"The truth is one , but the wise know it by many names ."

According to the Gita , there is only one God , of which all others are but manifestations . Whenever a devotee prays with devotion to any one God , God himself makes his faith in that deity steady . Hinduism , as such , has no problem with adding Allah and Jevovah to its collection of deities . It is the other religions which insist that Hindu gods are false .

 

[azzaman333]

Personally, I'm hostile towards all religions, not just christianity.

 

[silver 2039]

^ Yep

It is the other religions which insist that Hindu gods are false .

I insist all gods are false.

 

[Sidhe]

The very cornerstones of their religions should tell you that's not true. Have you studied the different religions?

Take just Jesus for example. He is their God. This isn't a naming issue, or an interpretation issue. If Jesus wasn't eveyone's God, then they aren't all worshipping the same God.

That's just the most obvious example, there are plenty to point out if you really want to get into that, but it might need it's own thread, as I'm sure most religious followers won't be happy with your statement

Uh hello, there's a reason why Judaism, Islam and Christianity are called the Abrahamic faiths, I sugest you go look up where all the religions routes are because those three are founded in Judaism? The Islamic faith is pretty much a breakaway sect of Christianity. Thus they worship the same God. Jesus is a prophet a propet or the Son of God, doesnt make God any different Yahewa Alah and God are the same thing. Taken from quotes like this from the book of mohammed, We follow the tennants of the Five books(The old testament) as closely as we do the the books of the Koran we make no distinction. AS for the other religions they are all pretty much the same thing IMO.

And Isaac went into Israel and founded the twelve tribes and Ishmael went into the lands to the east. Ishmael is attibuted as being the ultimate founder of Islam, they are both Abrahams sons? Thus Abrahamic. Clear enough?

 

[shadow2k]

Uh hello, there's a reason why Judaism, Islam and Christianity are called the Abrahamic faiths, I sugest you go look up where all the religions routes are because those three are founded in Judaism? The Islamic faith is pretty much a breakaway sect of Christianity. Thus they worship the same God. Jesus is a prophet a propet or the Son of God, doesnt make God any different Yahewa Alah and God are the same thing. Taken from quotes like this from the book of mohammed, We follow the tennants of the Five books(The old testament) as closely as we do the the books of the Koran we make no distinction. AS for the other religions they are all pretty much the same thing IMO.

And Isaac went into Israel and founded the twelve tribes and Ishmael went into the lands to the east. Ishmael is attibuted as being the ultimate founder of Islam, they are both Abrahams sons? Thus Abrahamic. Clear enough?

If they all worship the same God, then they wouldn't be told different things. Clear enough?

 

[shadow2k]

Incorrect .

According to the pantheistic ( Hindu ) worldview , that is wrong . Hinduism does not proclaim everyone else to be wrong - it only says that it itself is right , but others may be right , too . Only Churchainity and Islam claim a monopoly on truth . Maybe you have not heard of the quote from the Vedas :

"The truth is one , but the wise know it by many names ."

According to the Gita , there is only one God , of which all others are but manifestations . Whenever a devotee prays with devotion to any one God , God himself makes his faith in that deity steady . Hinduism , as such , has no problem with adding Allah and Jevovah to its collection of deities . It is the other religions which insist that Hindu gods are false .

Wow, ok, so one religion says they are right, but the others might not be wrong. Great. I'm sure that will bring peace between all of them sometime soon.

 

[punkbass2000]

"The truth is one , but the wise know it by many names ."

According to Oxtoby in his book "World Religions: Eastern Traditions", this is not as generous as it sounds. HE quotes: "All the sages say the same thing", but notes that this is said with the undetone: "and we know this better than anyone else."

 

[Sidhe]

If they all worship the same God, then they wouldn't be told different things. Clear enough?

Fact is they do all worship the same god, is that clear enough? Whether there all told different things is a matter for you to decide as on the surface they are all told remarkably similar things, the expresision of faith in the Qu'ran Torah And New testament are all pretty much identicle in stated ways to behave faith etc. The only bone of contention is not who God is but who's side he's on.

Wow, ok, so one religion says they are right, but the others might not be wrong. Great. I'm sure that will bring peace between all of them sometime soon.

precisely the problem, even though it's patently obvious to all but the most moronic child that all faiths are but one faith; the stupidity of mankind in understanding this has lead to great devisiveness war and suffering: it's very sad

Even the Budhists who have no "God" acknowledge that there is a source of all creation whether it be God or just a source is a matter for the other faiths to decide

The Angel Gabriel is mentioned in the Qu'ran as appearing to Moses, they are the same faith?

 

[CartesianFart]

Incorrect .

According to the pantheistic ( Hindu ) worldview , that is wrong . Hinduism does not proclaim everyone else to be wrong - it only says that it itself is right , but others may be right , too . Only Churchainity and Islam claim a monopoly on truth . Maybe you have not heard of the quote from the Vedas :

"The truth is one , but the wise know it by many names ."

According to the Gita , there is only one God , of which all others are but manifestations . Whenever a devotee prays with devotion to any one God , God himself makes his faith in that deity steady . Hinduism , as such , has no problem with adding Allah and Jevovah to its collection of deities . It is the other religions which insist that Hindu gods are false .

If that is true that Islam,Christianity or whatever monotheisitic principles hold monopoly on truth,doesnt it say that Hinduism is monopolistic as well since it claim of a particular truth which in turn have to be monopolistic in order to survive?

Hinduism is like a sponge,soaking up all icons of other religion or dieties into a mess of nonsense blabbering myths into a universal cage.

Sounds like all of these are a prison of spirituality. Whether it is polytheistic,pantheistic,or monotheistic.

 

[shadow2k]

I'm not going to continue to argue with you. I disagree. You saying something is fact means nothing to me, it's the same as someone telling me it's a fact that God exists. It's the same mentality.

If you believe every religion follows the same God, good for you. I don't know how you'd convince religions that have more than one God though.

 

[Kev1916]

Simple enough. Take me for instance, I'm a fairly young guy, have a normal job, wife and two kids. I have BBQ's, birthday parties, watch football and baseball, and drive an average joe car. Everything about me has middle America and average joe written all over it except one thing, I'm a Christian. That is a believer in Christ who tries with God's grace to live a life pleasing to Him and according to His will for me. So the question is "Why is the world hostile towards me?"

I know the biblical answer, but would very much be interested in the views of "unbelievers". Not necessarily hostile ones either, just in general.

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Mauer?
Why do you think the world is hostile to you? I would have thought being an american was more likely to cause people to hate you than a christian, unless
your a wasp and a member of a right wing nut group like the kkk.

 

[Sidhe]

I'm not going to continue to argue with you. I disagree. You saying something is fact means nothing to me, it's the same as someone telling me it's a fact that God exists. It's the same mentality.

If you believe every religion follows the same God, good for you. I don't know how you'd convince religions that have more than one God though.

Oh so the Hindus have merged Jehova into there relgion(which technically means everyone worships the same God) so there the tenuous exception but Abrahamic faiths Judaism/christianity/Islam all have the same Angels and prophets and Messiahs although they disagree on whos what in some instances. YOu can say No they don't but go talk to a muslim and ask them who is there chief Angel and they will say Gabriel. Go ask a Jew the same, a christian the same? Are you really that ignorant I use it in it's literal meaning in that you are unaware that Alah/Yahewa/God are all the same being

The new testament the torah and the Qu'ran are all holy books to the Muslims: thus the quote we place none of the five books above our own scripture? Can we move on now did you grasp this yet?