Why [name of civilization] will fit in Civilization V?

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I am interested in your opinion about civilizations that should be included (even if thea are included).
But I want every choice would be justify by appeal to game mechanics.
I mean - there are some factors that matters in Civ series and if your candiate has meaningfull history that could be reflected in this mechanics - it is good candidate.
Factors that matters (IMHO):
science (for example - discover of alphabeth or something)
culture (great artist, specific religion - Israel for example)
long history (India, China)
conquest, strong army (Rome is good example)
strong economy
big territory, coloniztion, settling (Russia, Arabia, Mongolia, Spain...)
World Wonders
etc.

So - you pick a country and gives examples that fits to Civ mechanics.
And plz - I do not want this thread to become another "my penis is bigger than your"
 
I think a major problem with these types of discussions is that the word "civilization" is more of a general term than a specific one. Its easier to define what a nation is (or was), but it gets foggier when trying to figure out a civilization.

Is Canada a civilization? Or is it just a nation that can roughly be defined as a member of "western civilization".... or even a modern extension of European civilizations.

Ultimately people will subjectively determine their own definition of what makes a civilization a civilization, and likewise subjectively determine what constitutes important historical impact. Consequently, I have no idea why the arguments get so dramatic when the topic comes up.
 
Poland fits to Civilization 5

science: Copernicus who was first person to say that earth moves around the sun, Maria Skłodowska (Marie Curie) who won Nobel prize, Kazimierz Funk who discovered vitamins

culture: yes, so many great persons! just for music: Rubinstein, Rostropovich, Chopin :)

long history: yes, many centuries.

conquest: Poland wins battle of Kulshino with winged hussars and conquered Moscow!!!

big territory settling: in 1600 Poland commonwealth was biggest in Europe with greatest population

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I think a major problem with these types of discussions is that the word "civilization" is more of a general term than a specific one. Its easier to define what a nation is (or was), but it gets foggier when trying to figure out a civilization.

Is Canada a civilization? Or is it just a nation that can roughly be defined as a member of "western civilization".... or even a modern extension of European civilizations.

Ultimately people will subjectively determine their own definition of what makes a civilization a civilization, and likewise subjectively determine what constitutes important historical impact. Consequently, I have no idea why the arguments get so dramatic when the topic comes up.

I hope this thread would be liberal - if you want Canadian civilization - no problem - just give some examples of things that fits in Civ 5 mechanics - if you preffer Western Civilization, or UN, EU...

@Chopin - I know history of Poland, but please be more specific (many centuries isn't specific - 966 AD - 1795 and 1914 till now is specific)
Also - did you know that Copernicus didn't know polish?
For Poland I would add Round Table and Lech Wałęsa - I think they are well known in the world. But before Poland, I would like to have Austria, Babylon, Sumeria, Israel, Etiopia (Abisynia), Assyria... but I am not very good in justyfing (neither in english :P )
 
Serbia fits to Civilization 5.

Science: Nikola Tesla FTW.

I rest my case. :p

I belive that every society have one thing that fits - please give me more examples.
Wiki sais that Serbian history begins in VII cent. so we have another point. But maybe (probably) there are many other. If you are Serbian, you probably know much more than me and polish/english wikipedia ;-)
 
Sealand is the only nation that deserves to be in Civ.

SEALAND FTW!
 
I mean - there are some factors that matters in Civ series and if your candiate has meaningfull history that could be reflected in this mechanics - it is good candidate.
Factors that matters (IMHO):
science (for example - discover of alphabeth or something)
culture (great artist, specific religion - Israel for example)
long history (India, China)
conquest, strong army (Rome is good example)
strong economy
big territory, coloniztion, settling (Russia, Arabia, Mongolia, Spain...)
World Wonders
etc.

In my opinion, these things are secondary issues. The most important, imho, is the diversity of civs in the game, culturally, geographically, and in which areas they've got their strengths (ie among those you mentioned).

When picking candidate civs, you should of course consider those things. Especially compared to their peers (other nations/civilizations in their time period and area). But from then on, I believe the abovementioned is most important.

I wouldn't consider it an insult towards one nation if it isn't included.
 
In my opinion, these things are secondary issues. The most important, imho, is the diversity of civs in the game, culturally, geographically, and in which areas they've got their strengths (ie among those you mentioned).

When picking candidate civs, you should of course consider those things. Especially compared to their peers (other nations/civilizations in their time period and area). But from then on, I believe the abovementioned is most important.

I wouldn't consider it an insult towards one nation if it isn't included.

Maybe you are right, but:
1. I don't think there would be many people, who would say: "my mothercountry culture isn't uniqe - civilization X is enough for me"
2. More is better :-P
3. It could be valuable lesson of history for me - now I know that Tesla was Serbian :D
4. This is not an action "I want XXX to be implemented!" - this is more like "this country also is interesting - maybe someone wolud make mod?"
 
What's Sealand?

Principality of Sealand
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Principality of Sealand
Micronation
Flag of Sealand.svg
Flag Coat of Arms of Sealand.png
Coat of Arms
Motto: E Mare Libertas
(English: From the Sea, Freedom)
Anthem: E Mare Libertas by Basil Simonenko
Status Current
Location of Principality of Sealand
Area claimed 550 m2
Date of foundation September 2, 1967
Leadership The Bates Family
Organisational structure Oligarchy, constitutional monarchy
Language English
Purported currency Sealand dollar (pegged in value to USD)[citation needed]
Capital HM Fort Roughs
Ethnic groups European, North American
Demonym Sealander
Claimed GDP US$600,000 (US$22,200 per capita)[1]
Time Zone GMT
The Principality of Sealand

The Principality of Sealand is a micronation located on HM Fort Roughs, a former World War II Maunsell Sea Fort in the North Sea 10 km (six miles) off the coast of Suffolk, England.

Since 1967, the facility has been occupied by former Major HRH Prince Roy of Sealand; his associates and family claim that it is an independent sovereign state. External commentators generally classify Sealand as a micronation.[2] While it has been described as the world's smallest nation,[3] Sealand is not currently officially recognised as a sovereign state by any sovereign state, although Roy Bates claims it is de facto recognised by Germany as they have sent a diplomat to the nation, and by the United Kingdom after an English court ruled it did not have jurisdiction over Sealand, although neither action constitutes de jure recognition as far as the respective countries are concerned. [4]
History of HM Fort Roughs
Main article: HM Fort Roughs

In 1943, during World War II, HM Fort Roughs was constructed by the United Kingdom as one of the Maunsell Forts, primarily for defence against German mine-laying aircraft that might be targeting the estuaries that were part of vital shipping lanes. It comprised a floating pontoon base with a superstructure of two hollow towers joined by a deck upon which other structures could be added. The fort was towed to a position above the Rough Sands sandbar, where its base was intentionally flooded to allow it to sink to its final resting place on the sandbar. The location chosen was in international waters, approximately six miles from the coast of Suffolk, outside the then three-mile territorial water claim of the United Kingdom. The facility (called Roughs Tower or HM Fort Roughs) was occupied by 150–300 Royal Navy personnel throughout World War II;[5] not until well after the war, in 1956, were the last full-time personnel taken off HM Fort Roughs.[citation needed]
[edit] Occupation by Roy Bates and the establishment of Sealand

On 2 September 1967, the fort was occupied by Major Paddy Roy Bates, a British subject and pirate radio broadcaster, who ejected a competing group of pirate broadcasters.[6] Bates intended to broadcast his pirate radio station Radio Essex from the platform.[7]

In 1968, British workmen entered what Bates claimed to be his territorial waters in order to service a navigational buoy near the platform. Michael Bates (son of Paddy Roy Bates) tried to scare the workmen off by firing warning shots from the former fort. As Bates was a British subject at the time, he was summoned to court in England on firearms charges following the incident.[8] The court ruled that as the platform (which Bates was now calling "Sealand") was outside British jurisdiction, being beyond the then three-mile limit of the country's waters,[9] the case could not proceed. In 1975, Bates introduced a constitution for Sealand, followed by a flag, a national anthem, a currency and passports.[citation needed]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand
 
Chopin, please do not change this thread into garbage... And because I think you do not deserve to write any statements about Poland, I'll try to do it for you.

But first - I'll make it clear - while I think Poland deserve to be in Civ games I know that it probably won't be (or maybe in second expansion, but it's indeed very doubtful). I have my own hypothesis why it is so, but don't want to write it here.

And sorry for the next "epic post" :)

Science:

Copernicus (all heard about him I pressume)

Marie Curie Sklodowska - two nobel prizes and two discovered chemical elements - radium and polonium (to honor Poland)

Ignacy Łukasiewicz - inventor of the modern kerosene lamp

Bronisław Kasper Malinowski - widely considered one of the most important 20th-century anthropologists

Karol Olszewski - In 1884, in his Kraków laboratory, Olszewski was the first to liquify hydrogen in a dynamic state, achieving a record low temperature of -225 °C

Kazimierz Prószyński - He patented his first film camera, called Pleograph (in Polish spelling: Pleograf), before the Lumière brothers, and later went on to improve the cinema projector for the Gaumont company, as well as invent the widely used hand-held Aeroscope camera.

Michał Sędziwój (Michael Sendivogius) - A pioneer of chemistry, he developed ways of purification and creation of various acids, metals and other chemical compounds. He discovered that air is not a single substance and contains a life-giving substance-later called oxygen-170 years before Scheele and Priestley.

Kazimierz Siemienowicz - General of artillery, gunsmith, military engineer, artillery specialist and pioneer of rocketry. For over two centuries his work was used in Europe as a basic artillery manual. The book provided the standard designs for creating rockets, fireballs, and other pyrotechnic devices. It discussed for the first time the idea of applying a reactive technique to artillery. It contains a large chapter on caliber, construction, production and properties of rockets (for both military and civil purposes), including multistage rockets, batteries of rockets, and rockets with delta wing stabilizers (instead of the common guiding rods).

Stanisław Marcin Ulam - participated in the Manhattan Project

Aleksander Wolszczan - the co-discoverer of the first extrasolar planets and pulsar planets.

Johannes Hevelius - As an astronomer he gained a reputation as "the founder of lunar topography" and described ten new constellations, seven of which are still recognized by astronomers. In 1641 he built an observatory on the roofs of his three connected houses, equipping it with splendid instruments, including ultimately a large Keplerian telescope of 45 m (150 ft) focal length, with a wood and wire tube constructed by himself. This may have been the longest "tubed" telescope before the advent of the tubeless aerial telescope.

Mieczysław Gregory Bekker - He was a leading specialist in theory and design of military and off-the-road locomotion vehicles, and an originator of a new engineering discipline called "terramechanics". Bekker authored the general idea and contributed significantly to the design and construction of the Lunar Roving Vehicle used by missions Apollo 15, Apollo 16, and Apollo 17 on the Moon. He was the author of several patented inventions in the area of off-the-road vehicles, including those for extraterrestrial use.

Henryk Władysław Magnuski - telecommunications engineer who worked for Motorola in Chicago. He was the inventor of one of the first Walkie-Talkies and one of the authors of his company success in the fields of radio communication.

Ernest Adam Malinowski - constructed at that time the world's highest railway Ferrocarril Central Andino in the Peruvian Andes in 1871-1876.

Tadeusz Sendzimir - engineer and inventor of international renown with 120 patents in mining and metallurgy. His name has been given to revolutionary methods of processing steel and metals used in every industrialized nation of the world.

Sylwester Porowski - his team is actively working at blue laser technology

Constructor of Meteor Rockets (I don;t know his name though) - series of rockets designed to study the upper parts of the atmosphere. Meteor 2K rocket reached the altitude of 90 km (some say that it reached 100km - which is considered space) Unfortunately it was during communistic times and the programme was abandoned by a Soviet order, as the USSR wanted to maintain its monopoly on the rocket industry.

Culture:

Fryderyk Chopin - I don't think I have to describe him.

Stanislaw Lem - science fiction writer, best know for his novel Solaris, which was later adapted in the 1972 and 2002. His books have sold 27 million copies worldwide.

Czeslaw Milosz - poet and writer, won Nobel prize for literature.

Ignacy Jan Paderewski - pianist, composer and statesman.

Roman Polanski - film director (and unfortunately a pedophile...)

Wislawa Szymborska - Poet. She won the 1996 Nobel Prize for Literature.

Krzysztof Penderecki - He has won prestigious awards including Grammy Awards in 1987 and 1998 and 2001, and the Grawemeyer Award for Music Composition in 1992.

Joseph Conrad (Józef Teodor Konrad Korzeniowski) - writer, wrote "Heart of Darkness" - "Apocalypse Now" movie is based loosely on it.

Henryk Sienkiewicz - was a Polish journalist and Nobel Prize-winning novelist.

Władysław Reymont - novelist and Nobel laureate

Adam Mickiewicz - Mickiewicz is considered by some the greatest Slavic poet, alongside Alexander Pushkin, and a leading author of the Romantic school.

Jan Matejko - he is counted among the most famous Polish painters.

Andrzej Wajda - film director, recipient of an honorary Oscar.

Long history - well, Poland's known history began in the X century, so it's much younger than some of Civ civilizations (Egypt, India, China etc.) but also older than other - for example USA (but that's really not a significant achievement ;) ). In 1966 we celebrated a millemium of the existence of our country (966 is the year when Poland was baptized).

conquest, strong army

described previously HERE.

strong economy - it was always average.

big territory, coloniztion, settling - big teritory - yes (as seen in Chopin's map), colonization, settling - no.

World Wonders - I can't quickly name any building that could fit into this category, but a "Solidarność Movement" may be considered as one (like "universal suffrage"), "The Round Table" is much more controversial than all non-Poles may know. There is also The Commission of National Education - the central educational authority in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, created by the Sejm and king Stanisław August Poniatowski on October 14, 1773. Because of its vast authority and autonomy, it is considered the first Ministry of Education in history. Interesting may be also Warsaw radio mast - it was the world's tallest structure until its collapse on 8 August 1991. It is the second tallest land-based structure ever built, being surpassed as tallest by the Burj Khalifa, completed in 2010. It's height was 646.38 m (2,120.67 ft).

Wieliczka Salt Mine - The mine continuously produced table salt from the 13th century until 2007 as one of the world's oldest operating salt mines. The mine's attractions for tourists include dozens of statues and an entire cathedral that have been carved out of the rock salt by the miners. About 1.2 million persons visit the Wieliczka Salt Mine annually.

The Baths Park, or Royal Baths - a park in Warsaw with The Łazienki Palacecalled also Baths Palace or the Palace on the Water.

Augustów Canal - is a cross-border canal built in the 19th century in present-day north-eastern Poland and north-western Belarus. From the time it was first built, the canal was described by experts as a technological marvel, with numerous sluices contributing to its aesthetic appeal. It was the first waterway in Central Europe to provide a direct link between the two major rivers, Vistula and Neman, and it provided a link with the Black Sea to the south through the Oginski Canal, Dnieper River, Berezina Canal and Dvina River.


There are also two buildings in Poland that may be considered a "wonder", but actually they were built by Germans: ;)

Basilica of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary - the largest brick church in the world and one of the largest Brick Gothic buildings in Europe,

The Castle in Malbork - the world’s largest brick gothic castle


And plz - I do not want this thread to become another "my penis is bigger than your"

I hope my post do not sound like this. I see here that many people here don't know anything about Poland but try to sound like a specialist in that matter :) Some statements are indeed funny, but I know they mostly come from lack of knowledge and stupidity of some users like [insert the name of Polish famous composer here] - some of them not actually being from Poland (as the one mentioned above). But I do not blame anyone of the "specialists of Polish history", because I realise that a great majority of people from the West know almost nothing about us and have to write and believe in stereotypes :)
 
So, because Poland won a single short war with Russia (with Lithuania's help of course) they should be included?

Sealand FTW!
 
So, because Poland won a single short war with Russia (with Lithuania's help of course) they should be included?

Sealand FTW!

Australia never did :-P
I think Sealand would be too powerfull to include it in ANY game...
And - this topic isn't about witch civ should be included - it's about what in country history would fit into civ mechanics.
 
But first - I'll make it clear - while I think Poland deserve to be in Civ games I know that it probably won't be (or maybe in second expansion, but it's indeed very doubtful). I have my own hypothesis why it is so, but don't want to write it here.

You wrote a very informative and interesting post, and a humbler one that many would. However, seeing how Dale turned into a troll in all of these country threads, I'd suggest we adopt the best approach to trolls: don't feed them. These topics will change nothing.
 
So, because Poland won a single short war with Russia (with Lithuania's help of course) they should be included?

I've never said such thing, not only because there was more wars between us and more than one won by Poland, but it's also a poor reason why it should be in Civ. In this thread I only tried to present my point of view on criteria presented by Gewar in the first post.

You wrote a very informative and interesting post, and a humbler one that many would. However, seeing how Dale turned into a troll in all of these country threads, I'd suggest we adopt the best approach to trolls: don't feed them. These topics will change nothing.

Thank you, HypnosTene, indeed many threads like this have been turned into garbage because of nationalists, but also people like Dale who probably believe they are extremely funny etc.
 
You wrote a very informative and interesting post, and a humbler one that many would. However, seeing how Dale turned into a troll in all of these country threads, I'd suggest we adopt the best approach to trolls: don't feed them. These topics will change nothing.

How can I be trolling when I have been keeping on topic? Interesting theory you pose. I have discussed the pros and cons of particular Civs which have been proposed to be in Civ. How is that trolling? And then like everyone else on this forum I have proposed a Civ which I fully believe should be in Civ5. If anything, you have trolled me with your post (yes I know the irony of replying to your troll).

Sealand for Civ5! :goodjob:
 
Australia never did :-P
I think Sealand would be too powerfull to include it in ANY game...
And - this topic isn't about witch civ should be included - it's about what in country history would fit into civ mechanics.

I only once proposed Australia (in context as humour at the time). However I am advocating Sealand for inclusion to Civ5.

But Australia is a valid nation to be included in Civ5. We successfully kept the Axis off our soil in WW2. We fully defeated numerous German and Japanese naval, land and air invasions over the course of the full war. Australia has also massive cultural influence over the World: BBQ's, good strong beer, back-packing, clothes lines, Steve Irwin. As you can see we're fully sick mate. :)
 
Chopin, please do not change this thread into garbage... And because I think you do not deserve to write any statements about Poland, I'll try to do it for you.

But first - I'll make it clear - while I think Poland deserve to be in Civ games I know that it probably won't be (or maybe in second expansion, but it's indeed very doubtful). I have my own hypothesis why it is so, but don't want to write it here.

And sorry for the next "epic post" :)

Science:

Copernicus (all heard about him I pressume)

Marie Curie Sklodowska - two nobel prizes and two discovered chemical elements - radium and polonium (to honor Poland)

Ignacy Łukasiewicz - inventor of the modern kerosene lamp

Bronisław Kasper Malinowski - widely considered one of the most important 20th-century anthropologists

Karol Olszewski - In 1884, in his Kraków laboratory, Olszewski was the first to liquify hydrogen in a dynamic state, achieving a record low temperature of -225 °C

Kazimierz Prószyński - He patented his first film camera, called Pleograph (in Polish spelling: Pleograf), before the Lumière brothers, and later went on to improve the cinema projector for the Gaumont company, as well as invent the widely used hand-held Aeroscope camera.

Michał Sędziwój (Michael Sendivogius) - A pioneer of chemistry, he developed ways of purification and creation of various acids, metals and other chemical compounds. He discovered that air is not a single substance and contains a life-giving substance-later called oxygen-170 years before Scheele and Priestley.

Kazimierz Siemienowicz - General of artillery, gunsmith, military engineer, artillery specialist and pioneer of rocketry. For over two centuries his work was used in Europe as a basic artillery manual. The book provided the standard designs for creating rockets, fireballs, and other pyrotechnic devices. It discussed for the first time the idea of applying a reactive technique to artillery. It contains a large chapter on caliber, construction, production and properties of rockets (for both military and civil purposes), including multistage rockets, batteries of rockets, and rockets with delta wing stabilizers (instead of the common guiding rods).

Stanisław Marcin Ulam - participated in the Manhattan Project

Aleksander Wolszczan - the co-discoverer of the first extrasolar planets and pulsar planets.

Johannes Hevelius - As an astronomer he gained a reputation as "the founder of lunar topography" and described ten new constellations, seven of which are still recognized by astronomers. In 1641 he built an observatory on the roofs of his three connected houses, equipping it with splendid instruments, including ultimately a large Keplerian telescope of 45 m (150 ft) focal length, with a wood and wire tube constructed by himself. This may have been the longest "tubed" telescope before the advent of the tubeless aerial telescope.

Mieczysław Gregory Bekker - He was a leading specialist in theory and design of military and off-the-road locomotion vehicles, and an originator of a new engineering discipline called "terramechanics". Bekker authored the general idea and contributed significantly to the design and construction of the Lunar Roving Vehicle used by missions Apollo 15, Apollo 16, and Apollo 17 on the Moon. He was the author of several patented inventions in the area of off-the-road vehicles, including those for extraterrestrial use.

Henryk Władysław Magnuski - telecommunications engineer who worked for Motorola in Chicago. He was the inventor of one of the first Walkie-Talkies and one of the authors of his company success in the fields of radio communication.

Ernest Adam Malinowski - constructed at that time the world's highest railway Ferrocarril Central Andino in the Peruvian Andes in 1871-1876.

Tadeusz Sendzimir - engineer and inventor of international renown with 120 patents in mining and metallurgy. His name has been given to revolutionary methods of processing steel and metals used in every industrialized nation of the world.

Sylwester Porowski - his team is actively working at blue laser technology

Constructor of Meteor Rockets (I don;t know his name though) - series of rockets designed to study the upper parts of the atmosphere. Meteor 2K rocket reached the altitude of 90 km (some say that it reached 100km - which is considered space) Unfortunately it was during communistic times and the programme was abandoned by a Soviet order, as the USSR wanted to maintain its monopoly on the rocket industry.

Culture:

Fryderyk Chopin - I don't think I have to describe him.

Stanislaw Lem - science fiction writer, best know for his novel Solaris, which was later adapted in the 1972 and 2002. His books have sold 27 million copies worldwide.

Czeslaw Milosz - poet and writer, won Nobel prize for literature.

Ignacy Jan Paderewski - pianist, composer and statesman.

Roman Polanski - film director (and unfortunately a pedophile...)

Wislawa Szymborska - Poet. She won the 1996 Nobel Prize for Literature.

Krzysztof Penderecki - He has won prestigious awards including Grammy Awards in 1987 and 1998 and 2001, and the Grawemeyer Award for Music Composition in 1992.

Joseph Conrad (Józef Teodor Konrad Korzeniowski) - writer, wrote "Heart of Darkness" - "Apocalypse Now" movie is based loosely on it.

Henryk Sienkiewicz - was a Polish journalist and Nobel Prize-winning novelist.

Władysław Reymont - novelist and Nobel laureate

Adam Mickiewicz - Mickiewicz is considered by some the greatest Slavic poet, alongside Alexander Pushkin, and a leading author of the Romantic school.

Jan Matejko - he is counted among the most famous Polish painters.

Andrzej Wajda - film director, recipient of an honorary Oscar.

Long history - well, Poland's known history began in the X century, so it's much younger than some of Civ civilizations (Egypt, India, China etc.) but also older than other - for example USA (but that's really not a significant achievement ;) ). In 1966 we celebrated a millemium of the existence of our country (966 is the year when Poland was baptized).

conquest, strong army

described previously HERE.

strong economy - it was always average.

big territory, coloniztion, settling - big teritory - yes (as seen in Chopin's map), colonization, settling - no.

World Wonders - I can't quickly name any building that could fit into this category, but a "Solidarność Movement" may be considered as one (like "universal suffrage"), "The Round Table" is much more controversial than all non-Poles may know. There is also The Commission of National Education - the central educational authority in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, created by the Sejm and king Stanisław August Poniatowski on October 14, 1773. Because of its vast authority and autonomy, it is considered the first Ministry of Education in history. Interesting may be also Warsaw radio mast - it was the world's tallest structure until its collapse on 8 August 1991. It is the second tallest land-based structure ever built, being surpassed as tallest by the Burj Khalifa, completed in 2010. It's height was 646.38 m (2,120.67 ft).

Wieliczka Salt Mine - The mine continuously produced table salt from the 13th century until 2007 as one of the world's oldest operating salt mines. The mine's attractions for tourists include dozens of statues and an entire cathedral that have been carved out of the rock salt by the miners. About 1.2 million persons visit the Wieliczka Salt Mine annually.

The Baths Park, or Royal Baths - a park in Warsaw with The Łazienki Palacecalled also Baths Palace or the Palace on the Water.

Augustów Canal - is a cross-border canal built in the 19th century in present-day north-eastern Poland and north-western Belarus. From the time it was first built, the canal was described by experts as a technological marvel, with numerous sluices contributing to its aesthetic appeal. It was the first waterway in Central Europe to provide a direct link between the two major rivers, Vistula and Neman, and it provided a link with the Black Sea to the south through the Oginski Canal, Dnieper River, Berezina Canal and Dvina River.


There are also two buildings in Poland that may be considered a "wonder", but actually they were built by Germans: ;)

Basilica of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary - the largest brick church in the world and one of the largest Brick Gothic buildings in Europe,

The Castle in Malbork - the world’s largest brick gothic castle




I hope my post do not sound like this. I see here that many people here don't know anything about Poland but try to sound like a specialist in that matter :) Some statements are indeed funny, but I know they mostly come from lack of knowledge and stupidity of some users like [insert the name of Polish famous composer here] - some of them not actually being from Poland (as the one mentioned above). But I do not blame anyone of the "specialists of Polish history", because I realise that a great majority of people from the West know almost nothing about us and have to write and believe in stereotypes :)

Excellent post. I've learned a lot. :)
 
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