Why no Hitler?

[Barney's_Soul]

Barney, for whatever reason you sport such wood for Adolf, I don't care. But there are major tactical reasons why Stalin is in and Herr Uni-ball is out. One reason is that Post War World Stalin signed agreement with Chruchill and Roosevelt and Uni-ball decided to gack himself which makes him a pathetic loser, not strong leader.

Plus, no other leader ever used state sponsored genocide to the effect the Nazis did. This, and this alone, catapults their evil above and beyond any other people compare it to. The horror is more recent in the minds of people, as it happened at date & time in history when most of the western world became more highly sensitized and protective of human rights.

With each and every one of the these Hitler threads I become further convinced that the originators of such threads are either completely uneducated ignoramouses or Nazi apologists.

you didnt answer the question.

 

[solomonrex]

But the fact is, Stalin killed as many people, and starving Georgia _WAS_ genocide. What the Japanese did in Asia is often forgotten, but not by the Koreans and Chinese. They were just as bad. So was Genghis Khan.

The reality is that we treat Hitler differently for historical reasons. He's even been dead longer than Stalin. It's time Stalin got the same reputation, because they were really just two sides of the same coin.

I'm in favor of demoting Stalin, not promoting Hitler. Why not stick with Peter the Great, or Catherine or even Gorbachev, Putin, Yeltsin. They were all arguably as important as Stalin. It's not like he started communism in Russia (Lenin did) . Any dictator is going to defend his land, and the Russian people contributed a lot more than this bloodthirsty, paranoid tyrant. So I say, give the spot to a more deserving person, a unique contributor. Gorby embraced capitalism, gorby/yeltsin let the empire go peacefully, and Putin has rebuilt the economy. All are things that Stalin can _barely_ lay claim to.

It's probably too soon for any of those, but the point is that to somehow think that Hitler is worse than Stalin is silly. They both were mass murderers on unimaginable scales, and if Dante rewrote Inferno, he'd probably move everyone up a spot to reserve the bottom level for genocidists like these.

 

[Barney's_Soul]

But the fact is, Stalin killed as many people, and starving Georgia _WAS_ genocide. What the Japanese did in Asia is often forgotten, but not by the Koreans and Chinese. They were just as bad. So was Genghis Khan.

The reality is that we treat Hitler differently for historical reasons. He's been dead longer than Stalin. It's time Stalin got the same reputation, because they were really just two sides of the same coin.

I'm in favor of demoting Stalin, not promoting Hitler. Why not stick with Peter the Great, or Catherine or even Gorbachev, Putin, Yeltsin. They were all arguably as important as Stalin. It's not like he started communism in Russia (Lenin did) . Any dictator is going to defend his land, and the Russian people contributed a lot more than this bloodthirsty, paranoid tyrant. So I say, give the spot to a more deserving person a unique contributor. Gorby embraced capitalism, gorby/yeltsin let the empire go peacefully, and Putin has rebuilt the economy. All are things that Stalin can _barely_ lay claim to.

It's probably too soon for any of those, but the point is that to somehow thing that Hitler is worse than Stalin is silly. They both were mass murderers on unimaginable scales, and if Dante rewrote Inferno, he'd probably move everyone up a spot to reserve the bottom level for genocidists like these.

DOn't forget that Stalin also was parthilly responsable for the "witch hunts" in the U.S in the 1950's and the Cold War.

Why is he in Civ again?

 

[Grimus]

Who cares about Hitler.... I want to see Israel as a damn Civ already

 

[lasdlt]

Who cares about Hitler.... I want to see Israel as a damn Civ already

lolz good point. They've been around a long time (with a big gap in there somewhere. . .) and haven't been represented yet, yet in C3C we had the Hittites.

 

[Impaler[WrG]]

@ Barney's_Soul: BWWAHAHAHAHAHAA *gasp* BWWAHAHAHAHAHAaaaaa...aaa *weez* *weez* *phee*

Ok now ware was I, how about they include Hitler AND at the sametime Pol Pot as the only leader of a Combodian/Khumar Civ. Pol Pot will take all the flak and after a much complaining and moaning and street protests in Cambodia he will be replaced in a patch by Jayavarman II. Hitler will be completly forgoten by that point.

 

[General Failure]

What is it with all this attention for this carpet-chewing megalomaniac? I thought this forum was about Civilization 4: Warlords. Is Hitler in Civilization 4: Warlords? No!

Let's go back to discuss the game, not people who are not in it.

Moderators, I vote you move this thread to the Off Topic forum. Thank you.

General Failure

 

[pholkhero]

oh, at least, moderators, could you condense them into one pointless, circular discussion thread.

 

[Revolutionary]

Sigh, why are you starting sooo many Hitler threads Barney's_Soul?

this is like the 3rd or 4th one

Hitler is not in the game because...

1. PC issues, only been 60 years since WW2 and such

2. they would have a problems selling the game in Germany (the world's 3rd largest economy)

3. there are many leaders in German history that were far better, 2 of which are already in the game

there are more reasons but don't remember them atm...

 

[Grimus]

It's just a silly (and a great) GAME... why can't we have Hitler? We should be able to play as both (what we believe to be) heroes and villains. If I want to be a monster one game and obliterate the entire world, why can't I choose a leader such as Hitler to play around as?

It's not like in all other games you're always playing as a squeaky-clean, goody two shoes...

Oh my, this game is so politically incorrect... they have slavery as a civic option and sacrificial altars, what atrocities! C'mon now...

Fascism is even a technology... why isn't Mussolini in Civ? We have Genghis Khan... he was surely a monster, and the Vikings were a bunch of raiders...

Why do people throw a big fuss over Civs/Leaders being included into the game of Civilization... they were a part of human civilization's history, good or bad.

If it can't be sold in other countries... why can't they just uninclude those things then? They already have different versions of the game for those countries, don't they? Why can't they just uninclude those things then?

And think of it the other way... if he's in the game, you don't have to choose him (unless you grab him randomly)... instead you can punish him and destroy him!! Wouldn't that be a delight?

.........

Ok.. though, after visualizing it in my head... I will admit it would make me a little disgusted to see him as a cartoon leaderhead in the game. It's supposed to be silly and fun, with Julius asking you if you want caesar salad and Cathy flirting/slapping you... with Hitler, there's really isn't anything funny about him.

Anyway... when the heck is the patch coming out?!

 

[Severus]

Grimus why can't I choose a leader such as Hitler to play around as?

Because the nazi holocaust killed between 11 and 28 milllion people, and tens of millions of people who died fighting for ideals such as freedom of expression, racial and religious tolerance and self determination. These were innocent people who had no say in what would happen to them, who didn't live in the same country as hitler, and who were innocents in the most genuine sense of the word.

The question should be why do i want to play leaders such as hitler, not why can't i? Maybe you should think about that before demanding to play as someone who wanted to ethnically cleanse a whole race of people. The fact that to want you play as him simply proves you have no knowledge of the crimes he commited, no knowledge of history, and no compassion for the millions of people who's families were destroyed due to his idea of a thousand year reign.

Get over it. He isnt in civilization for many reasons apart from those stated so why do we have to have thread after thread started by people like you? Play the game and shut up.

 

[Severus]

Grimus why can't I choose a leader such as Hitler to play around as?

Because the nazi holocaust killed between 11 and 28 milllion people, and tens of millions of people who died fighting for ideals such as freedom of expression, racial and religious tolerance and self determination. These were innocent people who had no say in what would happen to them, who didn't live in the same country as hitler, and who were innocents in the most genuine sense of the word.

The question should be why do i want to play leaders such as hitler, not why can't i? Maybe you should think about that before demanding to play as someone who wanted to ethnically cleanse a whole race of people. The fact that you want to play as him simply proves you have no knowledge of the crimes he commited, no knowledge of history, and no compassion for the millions of people who's families were destroyed due to his idea of a thousand year reign.

Get over it. He isnt in civilization for many reasons apart from those stated so why do we have to have thread after thread started by people like you? Play the game and shut up.

 

[Underdawg]

Because the nazi holocaust killed between 11 and 28 milllion people, and tens of millions of people who died fighting for ideals such as freedom of expression, racial and religious tolerance and self determination. These were innocent people who had no say in what would happen to them, who didn't live in the same country as hitler, and who were innocents in the most genuine sense of the word.

The question should be why do i want to play leaders such as hitler, not why can't i? Maybe you should think about that before demanding to play as someone who wanted to ethnically cleanse a whole race of people. The fact that you want to play as him simply proves you have no knowledge of the crimes he commited, no knowledge of history, and no compassion for the millions of people who's families were destroyed due to his idea of a thousand year reign.

Get over it. He isnt in civilization for many reasons apart from those stated so why do we have to have thread after thread started by people like you? Play the game and shut up.

I wouldn't want to play as Hitler, more like razing his lands with MY tanks, but I would like ask a counter-question: What about Genghis Khan and the Mongol Hordes that massacred all those innocent people of Delhi, the Central Asian cities, and the city of Baghdad?

Or the Romans who massacred some Gauls, as well as Carthaginians during their sack of Carthage?

But I also have a counter point to my point, I wouldn't really like to have Hitler in the game today as his actions occurred only very recently and it would be offensive and insensitive to those families and people who were directly affected by it.

 

[wioneo]

No, Hitler will not be in Civ 10. He will, however, be in Civilzation 9 until a patch is released to remove him.

 

[flamingzaroc121]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! not another hitler thread. ther is a poll over in general disscusion where you should vote and maybe firaxis will listen, but probably not since if hitler is in the game they cant sell it in germany

P.S. barney you must really want hitler because you have started 3 threads on this forum about him. either that or you want to stir up controversy

 

[punkindrublic]

i say maybe include guys like hitler and stalin in a scenario mode re-creating certain ww2 battles and things like that. but having them as selectable players might be a little different. think of all the other WW2 games out there like Call of duty and this huge new wave of ww2 shooters. theyve got swastikas and hammer+sickles and all sorts of nazi and commie symbols in them. its just video games. as long as figures such as hitler and stalin arent glorified and theyre put in the game for the sake of an accurate depiction of history, wheres the problem?

 

[lasdlt]

I sure hope no one starts the argument:

"Hitler should be in Civ 10 because that way we can not use him to kill millions of people! That way, we can see what happens to the world with Hitler as a nice guy!"

 

[QwertyKeyboard]

Um, no. The deaths of 60 million people are hard to forget.

Now it's been upped to 60 million? When will the inflation stop?

But anyway, to the orginal poster. You're stupid. If it's not politically correct to put Hitler in today why would it be in 15 years? Why would you plan on a Civ 10? We're on Civ 4. Regardless, there's tons of Hitler threads. This isn't even a useful question for discussion, it's just appears to be something you came up with because you were bored. You're one of the people who makes it look like all the people who want Hitler in the game seem stupid.

 

[anima36]

The fact that to want you play as him simply proves you have no knowledge of the crimes he commited, no knowledge of history, and no compassion for the millions of people who's families were destroyed due to his idea of a thousand year reign.

do you not mean you have no knowledge of the crimes he committed OR no compassion for the millions of people who's families were destroyed due to his idea of a thousand year reign.

he surely cant have compassion for people he didn't know had been victimised

 

[Rod]

Hello Barney,

an answer from a real German, who had grandfathers fighting for Hitler :

Hitler was a complete looser , military-wise and popularity-wise. That is why he is not in Civ ! (besides that he was an uneducated painter and really not fits into the same row with Bismarck and Frederick II or Barbarossa or Arminius)

All the other leaders in Civilzation are winners , even Napoleon, Shaka, Montezuma and the Inca, as they have won the admiration at least of their own people till today.

Do you understand that now ?