Why Panzers?

[Panda]

There's nothing wrong with Panzers except they come so late in the game.

 

[ChrTh]

There's nothing wrong with Panzers except they come so late in the game.

Simple mod should fix that. Let's see ... we'll replace Axemen with Panzers ...

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Actually that would be interesting.... since Panzers require Oil, Germany wouldn't be able to build its UU until it was obsolete. (Combustion needs Chemistry, Grenadiers obsolete Axemen/

 

[CharmzOC]

really though i think that is some validity to the point that Civ is a saturday morning cartoon game. The most obvious example is the panzer which, in fact, was not even the best tank the Germans had in the second world war. The German tiger tank rolled across western Russia and until the Russians invented the T-34. Another example is how the immortal was made a mounted unit. The immortal was a termused for the persian heavy infantry that defeated the Spartans at thermopalye.

 

[ChrTh]

Actually that would be interesting.... since Panzers require Oil, Germany wouldn't be able to build its UU until it was obsolete. (Combustion needs Chemistry, Grenadiers obsolete Axemen/

You're trying to have it both ways. If you replace the Axemen with Panzer, either it requires Oil still and thus can't be built until much later OR it's obsoleted by Grenadiers, depending on how you mod it.

 

[Palantir30]

panzers are good for the german unit. i am unaware of any unit that fred or otto had that has UU potential.

Frederick had a kick ass squadron of Pikemen hand picked from the most abnormally tall Prussians he could find. That'd be a nice UU, but I still like the Panzer.

Trouble is, I've never seen one in Civ3 or 4. Germany ALWAYS gets killed off before they get them.

By the time a Civ game's been out long enough, I usually take a fairly heavy hand with modding, and I generally give each Civ 3 or 4 UU's each.

Germany usually gets the Pikes, Panzers, a Dora gun and Submarines a tech early.

 

[Eukaryote]

How comes German leader get Panzers even though Nether of their leaders used them ?

As far as I can see all other UU are Units which one of the two Leaders Used other than the German Leaders who get a UU which well we know who used.

Then they make warlords which will have all the Allies leaders (other than Charles de Gaulle (crosses fingers)) (good or bad) Stalin was just as much a tyrant as the Axis Leaders . However ,they do not include any of the Axis leaders fair enough they were pretty nasty ppl and I remember someone saying that the game creators only wanted positive leaders then why Monty and especially Stalin who is disped by so many people. They don’t seem to have a consensus across the board.

Well everyone want Panzers as the German UU, but you can't very well put Hitler in this game without someone getting p1ssed, so they used someone else.

 

[Older than Dirt]

Panzer means "tank" which was a code word for the contrivance. Tigers were panzers, just as the Mark IIIj special and the Mark V Panther were. I know these things because I am so old I have stood on top of a T-34.

 

[MazX_TheDog]

Also WHY is Charlemagne NOT in the game. He could go French and would be a much better leader than Louis XIV

Charlemagne was a Francish leader, not French. While they are one in the same, France was not yet a naton in itself.

 

[MazX_TheDog]

Also, why no UU boats? Japanese Zero's as a UU? I guess that would bring too much WWII into the game. Also, Gunships should be a UU for America.

 

[Palantir30]

Panzer means "tank" which was a code word for the contrivance. Tigers were panzers, just as the Mark IIIj special and the Mark V Panther were. I know these things because I am so old I have stood on top of a T-34.

No, not quite. Panzer means Panther. It's a big cat thats smaller than a tiger. Hence, when the Germans made a tank that was bigger than the Panzer, they called it a Tiger.

"Tank" was the code word that the WWI British used to describe the Mark 4's without giving away that they were military machines, since they looked conceivably like water trucks. So "Tank" isnt a German euphamism at all.

You might be old, but you could stand to read more. I mean, German only has about sixteen words- they just combine them in different orders to describe different things.

 

[Kissamies]

You might be old, but you could stand to read more. I mean, German only has about sixteen words- they just combine them in different orders to describe different things.

"Panzer" means "armor". You might read, but you should check your sources

Panther was Panzer V and Tiger was Panzer VI.

 

[Zorn]

Panzer means both armour (but in an shell or exoskelett way of meaning), or tank (as in "armoured thing with tracks").
The german word for panther is actually Panther.

 

[icemanjsg]

I think you all get my point hopefully lol

 

[dimaliok]

Interestingly, the British invented a breach loading Rifle during the American revolution but didn't want to use it for fear it would fall into the hands of the Americans.

What about the war of 1812

 

[drkodos]

No love for the once-feared V-2?

The game is lacking a good aerial/missile weapon. Could come with the combo of flight/rocketry. Upgradabe path from catalpults, limited range (maybe 4-6) tiles from launch sites, collateral damage, strength @ 18. Doesn't replace a particluar unit, and would be truly unique, like the nasty V-2 really was.

 

[XxtraLarGe]

No love for the once-feared V-2?

The game is lacking a good aerial/missile weapon. Could come with the combo of flight/rocketry. Upgradabe path from catalpults, limited range (maybe 4-6) tiles from launch sites, collateral damage, strength @ 18. Doesn't replace a particluar unit, and would be truly unique, like the nasty V-2 really was.

"I aim for the stars, but sometimes I hit London."
Wernher von Braun

 

[lost_civantares]

Having the V-2 as the only type of cruise misstle available to a single civ could be kind of unfair, you would have to introduce one for the other civs.

 

[Panda]

really though i think that is some validity to the point that Civ is a saturday morning cartoon game. The most obvious example is the panzer which, in fact, was not even the best tank the Germans had in the second world war. The German tiger tank rolled across western Russia and until the Russians invented the T-34.

1. 'Panzer' is short for 'Panzerkampfwagen', which means 'Armoured Fighting Vehicle'. Hence, it's not a specific type, but a roof term for AFVs.

2. The Soviets had T-34's when The Third Reich launched Operation Barbarossa. The Germans copied the design, improved it, and created the Pzkpf V aka 'Panther', which is the Civ4 'Panzer' UU.

3. Whether the Pzkmpf VI 'Tiger', who had it's problems, was better than the Pzkmpf V is debatable. The Tiger was a heavy tank with different tactical use than the Panther, who was classified as a medium tank, and correspondendly used in different tasks. German tank crews actually prefered the Pzkmpf IV, which was the most reliable and endurant, while later models (post-1942) with the 75mm gun packed enough of a punch.

 

[CharmzOC]

Charlemagne was a Francish leader, not French. While they are one in the same, France was not yet a naton in itself.

Well then by that logic one could say that Fredrick Shoudn't be a german leader (Prussian), Alexander also then shouldn't be there (Macedonian), Gahndi was never alive while India was an idependant nation, and Stalin ruled the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, not Russia.