Stilgar08
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Rock Paper Shotgun too. Read the post from the guy who received one of the copies and factsheets? He said it is stated "20 leaders".
Why preview articles mention 20 civs included in full game?
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stealth_nsk
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That's critical difference. "20 leaders" fits our calculations, "20 civilizations" - don't. Although reviewers could be very easy to mess those.
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What about Isabella of Castille stealth_nsk?
(Wishful thinking ahead) Might be 18+Aztecs+Poland - 2 of which have 2 Leaders (Greece and Spain).
stealth_nsk
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Isabella and Jadwiga weren't in Barbarossa leak, so they are likely to be DLC.
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donald23
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Just to note, Mongols weren't a pre-order bonus with civ 5, they weren't available at release either. They were added later as free dlc with a patch.
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Stilgar08
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I know and I'm with you on this one - I think the Previews mixed it up and the factsheet is the better source. So 20 Leaders (which most likely means Gorgo!), not 20 civs.
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"20 distinct civilisations" suggests they've seen all of them and know them to be different. 19 civilisations with one alternative leader doesn't seem to meet the condition of being "distinct" - by comparison with 4-ability civilisations, a change to one of those abilities seems unlikely to feel as distinct as two civs are from one another.
And why would it be a misunderstanding in this case? We've been told the number will be the same as Civ V (which as I noted appears to be 20 - though I missed the actual game release), and we've seen a Polish ruler in the same inadvertent leak that indicated Gorgo. There's not currently any reason to doubt that "20 civilisations" means anything other than "20 civilisations".
EDIT: Just noticed the subsequent confirmation that Mongolia wasn't a pre-order bonus (must have been some kind of post-release promotion in effect when I bought the game), which does put Civ V back to 19.
EDIT 2: PC Gamer also refers to "20 eventual civs".
Remember that multiple leaders hasn't been officially announced. Unless you are a CivFanatic, that information may well have passed you by, since in the last game Civs=Leaders.
I'd probably go with the Civilopedia leak and say the 20 leaders are likely to be 18 + Aztec + Gorgo.
Since the development team is primarily made up of the team that made the expansions for Civilization V, I could see see them follow a similar model to what happened with the release of Civilization V. That game launched with 18 civilizations in the standard retail edition with Babylon as a bonus civilization to the Digital Deluxe Edition (made free and available to everyone else at the same time that Mongolia was patched in). Mongolia was added roughly a month later as a free game update (the Mongolian themed scenario). So in essence, Civilization V did launch with 20 civilizations and 20 leaders if you account for the two extra civilizations that were added within a month of the games launch.
Now... if we go off the info of how Civilization V's civilization list was handled at launch and compare it to how Civilization VI is shaping up to be, we currently stand at 18 civilizations in the base game (with Russia being the missing civilization) which matches the total number that V had at launch. Aztecs are filling a similar role to Babylon in being a pre-order bonus (this time for both Standard and Deluxe editions) and being made available to everyone 90 days (three months) down the road for those who didn't pre-order. So far, everything we have seen of Civilization VI is matching up to how Civilization V was at launch / month after launch (there are some differences but they are minor). The only thing missing from VI is a civilization that fills a role similar to that of Mongolia from V... in my opinion, it makes way more sense that it would be Poland / Jadwiga than a second leader for either Greece or Spain.
Now... if we go off the info of how Civilization V's civilization list was handled at launch and compare it to how Civilization VI is shaping up to be, we currently stand at 18 civilizations in the base game (with Russia being the missing civilization) which matches the total number that V had at launch. Aztecs are filling a similar role to Babylon in being a pre-order bonus (this time for both Standard and Deluxe editions) and being made available to everyone 90 days (three months) down the road for those who didn't pre-order. So far, everything we have seen of Civilization VI is matching up to how Civilization V was at launch / month after launch (there are some differences but they are minor). The only thing missing from VI is a civilization that fills a role similar to that of Mongolia from V... in my opinion, it makes way more sense that it would be Poland / Jadwiga than a second leader for either Greece or Spain.
GermanSettler
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I have no reason to believe that there is any surprise in the making with the information we have (specifically the use of "leaders" in the sheet accompanying the preview version plus the Gorgo reveal).
I actually think Gorgo is not such a weird choice, either. First because of the whole Sparta/Athens dynamic and second because it shows how they can use multiple leaders to also include more exotic choices and not just go for the famous ones.
I actually think Gorgo is not such a weird choice, either. First because of the whole Sparta/Athens dynamic and second because it shows how they can use multiple leaders to also include more exotic choices and not just go for the famous ones.
There are a few possibilities in this case:
- Reviewers made a mistake. Who knows?
- Firaxis changed their mind. Previously Ed Beach said 18 civs, not 20. But I doubt it.
- It might also be a day one DLC from the Deluxe Editon, which is quite possible because the Aztecs is not part of the Deluxe Edition. It is part of the base game. I think this is the case. One civ from pre-ordering the base game, and the second one from the Deluxe Edition. So the standard base game will still have 18 civs as Ed Beach mentioned.
- And Gorgo is the second leader of Greece. Sparta was just a city state. I do not think they would make a civ of it.
Anyhow, if this is true, those who pre-order will gain access to 21 leaders and 20 civs on day one.
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Having now read more articles, Ars Technica seems to be the only one that refers to leaders - everyone else refers to civs (as Ars Technica does initially).
And PC Gamer does refer to "eventual" civs - it may be that the total of 20 doesn't refer to the number at release day, just the number so far known to the journalists and which they may be assuming will all be available at release.
If Ars Technica is correct in referring both to 20 civs and 20 leaders, there are no alternate leaders on day one - just 20 civs. And the terms 'civs' and 'leaders' are therefore synonymous in this context.
I think this reviewer made some mistake. It is easy to get lost with those numbers (pre-order, Deluxe Ed. etc.).
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How much does anyone want to bet that Gorgo shows up in full Spartan hoplite armor, just to tweak the "historically accurate appearance" crowd?
The statue for the leader board is quite civilian though. Not all leaders are modeled after the portraits that are on that board, but still... especially for Gorgo, I think they go for a look like that. The statue isn't even of Gorgo, so they probably chose it solely because that's the look they want to have for her.
I would certainly like that.
Amazon-style. 
But I fear Tomrys already takes that position. D:
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But does the preview version for youtubers has the same leaders available as streamed version with Barbarossa leak?
stealth_nsk
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No, Barbarossa Leak build was totally uncut (and much earlier). The build we see now is properly cut out of content not yet shown or ready.
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