Why...thank you, Saladin!

[dennisg]

Another one of those classic AI moments:

I was at Pleased with Saladin and asked him if he could spare some crappy tech I had hopped over and he said "Nope". So I asked him "What would make this deal work..."

and he says the only way to make it work is if he can give me the tech AND 60 Gold...and I didn't have to give him anything!


Why, thanks, pal!

[EDIT]

Now that I think back on it and look at the Asoka screen shot below, it may have been that I had offered a trade like

Sailing <-----> Meditiation

So Saladin says no, then I ask what would make this work and he comes back with

Sailing <-----> Meditiation
60 gold

Same principle Ha, ha, whatever Saladin, sure I'll take your money.

[END EDIT]

 

[samthedagger]

Next time take a screen shot and post it.

 

[Pim]

Also happend to me(once or twice). maybe because the "What make this deal work" option tries to make a fair deal out of it but i ain't sure about it.

 

[Pim]

I tried it out just now. I offered them a bit more then i asked:

And asked what would make this a good deal:

 

[pianoman1242]

they do whats in pim's shot lots to me, but never what dennisg described.

 

[DMOC]

Same.

The reason they do this in pim's shot is that the AI is adjusting the tech trade to make it equal in their eyes.

 

[samthedagger]

Yea, the AI is stupid that way. And it wasn't like that in previous games either. Now I can sue for peace when I have the advantage and ask them what is required to bury the hatchet and they will offer me all kinds of goodies! There should have been separate options for threatening to decimate them if they do not offer something worth your while and suing for peace by asking them what they want from you in exchange for peace. Previous AIs were intelligent enough to accept a simple peace treaty if you requested it; they wouldn't toss in gold, maps, and techs if they were at a huge disadvantage unless you demanded them.

 

[aday]

I don't think this is "stupid" behavior. It's just the game's way of telling you what the AI thinks is fair. Otherwise you'd have to jump through so many hoops to figure out the maximum you could get in a deal. Since the AI always gets the better end of the deal anyway, I think this is pretty reasonable.

 

[glaivemaster]

I'll just assume it's my ambassadors doing all the hard work of negotiating for me

 

[Cheeze]

I'll just assume it's my ambassadors doing all the hard work of negotiating for me

I like this assumption. I'll be using it.

 

[zeolite]

If I remember correctly then on Civ III you had to gradually increase your offer manually until it was high enough for the AI to accept. This just makes negotiations much less tedious.

I've never seen anything like dennisg described though.