Why the Barringer Crater?

[Tarkhan]

All I know is that if this happened my games would have a lot of "butt mountain"s and "vagina reef"s

I could see this being funny in succession games.

 

[Disgustipated]

I personally think the grand canyon is amazing (hiked it, camped at the bottom, been to havasupai repeatedly, love it) but I'm not sure I'd classify it as a natural wonder - it's just a big and spectacular canyon. There are similar "grand canyons" elsewhere in the world, like in Mexico. Another thing is, if you were to have stumbled upon the Grand Canyon early, you probably wouldn't realize its extent immediately - it covers such a large distance as an overall package. Plus, there's other "crazy" terrain and park-worth areas all over this part of the country (zion, bryce, sedona, painted desert, etc) so the GC doesn't necessarily stand out that much given the context.

What's funny is I've been in AZ for 20+ years and lived 40 miles away from the crater for 10+ years and never heard it referred to as "Barringer Crater" (had to wiki it) - it's just called "Meteor Crater" here. And I never found it interesting enough to visit since I find the more natural wonders here like GC, painted desert, etc to be more worthy.

Anyways, I expect that as an ancient explorer, find something like a monster-sized meteor crater would be a little more shocking than finding a big canyon, since canyons are essentially natural and a perfectly in-tact and huge meteor crater is very unnatural. A meteor impact like Barringer (it's a very perfect crater in the middle of nowhere) would definitely stand out.

Ultimately it's a game and who cares (what I always say). The devs probably wanted to put in a few things that were slightly different instead of wearing out the same old same old, kinda like how they mix up wonders every time thru.

Yeah I've never heard of Barrringer crater until today. I've been to it. On the map it's listed as Meteor Crater not Barringer Crater.

I disagree about the Grand Canyon. It is grand. Yes they didn't realize it at the time. They didn't realize how big it actually was. I think I know what canyon you are talking about in Mexico (don't know the name), but I don't think it's as big as the Grand Canyon.

Just ask yourself, which attraction in Arizona gets more visitors? Grand Canyon or Meteor Crater?

Sedona is nice, but it's really just red rocks (we have those outside of Las Vegas). Zion is very nice, but again just another canyon by your standards. . Bryce is really amazing to me at least. I loved Bryce.

edit: I had to look it up. There is a canyon in Tibet that is larger and deeper. Damn Chinese got us beat again. . The one in Mexico is called copper canyon (I remember seeing it on Man vs. Wild)

 

[Celevin]

I'd like to see the Grand Banks as a natural wonder. There's something about "fish being so thick that it slows down the boats" that paints an amazing almost fantasy scene in my head.

 

[SirSaab]

In addition to this, craters are caused by meteor hits which some times deposit rich mineral veins (Sudbury basin in Ontario, Canada - one of the richest Nickel deposit in the world)

And in addition to this, if my memory serves, Iridium deposits are only possible at impact sites. Chances are, your car runs because of it's Iridium spark plugs.

 

[ottocrat]

All I know is that if this happened my games would have a lot of "butt mountain"s and "vagina reef"s

Perhaps name a geyser "John Holmes"?

 

[Mannu]

The grand canyon would have to be at least 4 tiles and they probably felt that was too big.

1) The GC has a river at it's bottom.
2) Civ rivers lie on the border of tiles and give their benefits to both tiles
3) A GC the length of one side of a tile would be weirdly short

They could have solved this by making rivers flow through tiles which I think they should have considered doing anyway. I think the rivers on the tile borders was the result of having square tiles. Now that we have hexes, realistic rivers could have been made going through tiles. Then rivers could have acted like roads and we could potentially have more rivers on the map since each river would give it's bonus to just one tile.

 

[marioflag]

About Barringer Crater i'm surprised to see it included instead of other meteor craters which are bigger or at least more important even if we consider only USA.

Is it in USA a bigger tourist attraction than other similar craters, or at least has a greater fame?

 

[kozzer]

I personally think the grand canyon is amazing (hiked it, camped at the bottom, been to havasupai repeatedly, love it) but I'm not sure I'd classify it as a natural wonder - it's just a big and spectacular canyon. There are similar "grand canyons" elsewhere in the world, like in Mexico.

I've also been the the bottom, several times, and out to Toroweap as well. It's gorgeous, mind blowingly so.

Anyway, the one in Mexico is called Copper Canyon, and while it's deeper at its deepest point than the Grand Canyon, it's not nearly as wide or has the geology the Grand Canyon does. Copper Canyon is pretty much yellow with green vegetation all the way down, being predominantly limestone. The Grand Canyon has layers of Kaibab limestone (yellow), sandstone (cream), shale (gray/green), the supai (red shale) & redwall (limestone, colored red by the above supai), granite, and lots of other stuff giving the diverse physical formations found within the Canyon as well as the multitude of different colorations. Plus, Copper Canyon is a singleton at abour 50 miles long, whereas the Grand Canyon is over 200 miles long has countless side canyons that stretch out considerably. There really isn't anything else like it on Earth.

 

[patsfan454]

Perhaps name a geyser "John Holmes"?

I think the "Peter North Geyser" would be more accurate actually.

And in addition to this, if my memory serves, Iridium deposits are only possible at impact sites. Chances are, your car runs because of it's Iridium spark plugs.

Taken from Wikipedia:

Iridium is obtained commercially as a by-product from nickel and copper mining and processing. During electrorefining of copper and nickel, noble metals such as silver, gold and the platinum group metals as well as selenium and tellurium settle to the bottom of the cell as anode mud, which forms the starting point for their extraction.[45][47] In order to separate the metals, they must first be brought into solution. Several methods are available depending on the separation process and the composition of the mixture; two representative methods are fusion with sodium peroxide followed by dissolution in aqua regia, and dissolution in a mixture of chlorine with hydrochloric acid.[17][39]

 

[Rusty Edge]

About Barringer Crater i'm surprised to see it included instead of other meteor craters which are bigger or at least more important even if we consider only USA.

Is it in USA a bigger tourist attraction than other similar craters, or at least has a greater fame?

Yes, I'd say it's the most famous. Because it struck on a desert plain, it's profound. It looks like something from the surface of the moon. It's not covered with a lake or a forrest. Because it is 10's of thousands of years old instead of millions or hundreds of millions, it hasn't eroded much. Because it's so far south, it hasn't been bulldozed by glaciers.

Not everybody goes there, but lots of people have seen it on tv or the movies. We know there's a big meteorite strike somewhere in Arizona.

 

[AriochIV]

No one has ever said the Grand Canyon won't be in the game.

 

[civ_king]

About Barringer Crater i'm surprised to see it included instead of other meteor craters which are bigger or at least more important even if we consider only USA.

Is it in USA a bigger tourist attraction than other similar craters, or at least has a greater fame?

Crater Lake is more famous in the US

 

[Rusty Edge]

Crater Lake is more famous in the US

It's much prettier. I thought it was a volcano crater... In which case it competes with yellowstone, mona loa, etc.

 

[Welnic]

About Barringer Crater i'm surprised to see it included instead of other meteor craters which are bigger or at least more important even if we consider only USA.

Is it in USA a bigger tourist attraction than other similar craters, or at least has a greater fame?

Crater Lake is more famous in the US

Barringer Crater was the first crater on Earth recognized as a meteor impact crater. Daniel Barringer was the first to conclude that it was a meteor crater.

Crater Lake is a volcanic crater, those are a dime a dozen. If there is a big meteor crater that looks more like a crater than Barringer I'd like to see it. It is new and in an area where it hasn't been filled in with water or solid material.

 

[snipperrabbit!!]

Personnally, I'm looking forward to see this site as a natural wonder.

 

[kozzer]

Barringer Crater was the first crater on Earth recognized as a meteor impact crater. Daniel Barringer was the first to conclude that it was a meteor crater.

Crater Lake is a volcanic crater, those are a dime a dozen. If there is a big meteor crater that looks more like a crater than Barringer I'd like to see it. It is new and in an area where it hasn't been filled in with water or solid material.

But Crater Lake surrounds Wizard Island!

 

[Perfection]

And how does a Crater add two production?

Alien Slave Labor!

 

[Reginleif]

I am surprised that a Niagra Falls NW has not ben revealed yet, most of them are well-known attractions and I do not know any geographic formation in the world that attracts more tourists.

 

[Jerrymander]

And how does a Crater add two production?

Space rocks, man!

 

[Perfection]

OOH, I KNOW WHY IT'S IN THE GAME!

Meteor Impact Event.